Seriously. I don't get it. Why a hill workout that slows you down? Just run faster and practice what it is you will actually do when you compete in your sport. Run on the track. I'm not writing about x-country or road races in which one might encounter hills. For a track runner I can see no justification for a hill workout.
question of mice wrote:
Seriously. I don't get it. Why a hill workout that slows you down? Just run faster and practice what it is you will actually do when you compete in your sport. Run on the track. I'm not writing about x-country or road races in which one might encounter hills. For a track runner I can see no justification for a hill workout.
because Arthur Lydiard said so
Hill workouts provide excellent physiological benefits with minimal wear and tear. You are pushing your cardiovascular system harder while going slower and minimizing shock on your joints.
Arguments based on authority are never terribly impressive. Lyriard has taught us much I respect the dude, but I've never seen an explanation of his rationale. Why hills? What do they do that running can't accomplish? It always seems to be justified in terms of firing up fast twitch muscles and power and strength. In what ways do hills offer this that flat terrain does not?
Spaceman wrote:
question of mice wrote:Seriously. I don't get it. Why a hill workout that slows you down? Just run faster and practice what it is you will actually do when you compete in your sport. Run on the track. I'm not writing about x-country or road races in which one might encounter hills. For a track runner I can see no justification for a hill workout.
because Arthur Lydiard said so
t94bell wrote:
Hill workouts provide excellent physiological benefits with minimal wear and tear. You are pushing your cardiovascular system harder while going slower and minimizing shock on your joints.
Isn't hill running known to be a higher risk workout? Why would wear and tear be less on them? Seems counter-intuitive.
There's less impact from falling onto the ground each step, because, get this, you're running up a hill.
On the contrary they help me with power development and I run faster with them. That's proof enough for me.
As far as the authority issue, world that be the same as you or just as worst since you're a nobody, coming on here to purportedly know what works for everybody?
I guess we should discount the coaches and the many athletes who saw and have seen benefits from doing them. I'm pretty sure they have stayed in people's programs because they got faster with their addition.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3972180
Not a good troll either.
not so sure about that wrote:
Isn't hill running known to be a higher risk workout? Why would wear and tear be less on them? Seems counter-intuitive.
Is this serious about uphill running, or a joke, or do you include running fast downhill in your discussion?
not so sure about that wrote:
Isn't hill running known to be a higher risk workout? Why would wear and tear be less on them? Seems counter-intuitive.
Implying that you would only run downhill.
not so sure about that wrote:
Isn't hill running known to be a higher risk workout? Why would wear and tear be less on them? Seems counter-intuitive.
No it does not seem counter intuitive. Running at a higher speed causes greater wear and tear. When you run up a hill, you are running slower to get the same level of cardiovascular stimulus. Therefore, when you run threshold repeats on a hill instead of a flat track, your legs experience lower impact force.
What's the over under on this "guy's" legs being crossed when he got all in a tiff?
Totally Different wrote:
On the contrary they help me with power development and I run faster with them. That's proof enough for me.
As far as the authority issue, world that be the same as you or just as worst since you're a nobody, coming on here to purportedly know what works for everybody?
I guess we should discount the coaches and the many athletes who saw and have seen benefits from doing them. I'm pretty sure they have stayed in people's programs because they got faster with their addition.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3972180Not a good troll either.
OP, you are delusional.
Just run faster? You can do that on a hill, going down. I like doing strides on slight downgrades.
"Hills are speedwork in disguise." -Frank Shorter
I avoid hills, but I have ITB problems and it can flare up after a hill workout. So I just hit the track hard and hit moderate hills on road and trail runs.
Strength.
Strength = explosive speed.
t94bell wrote:
Hill workouts provide excellent physiological benefits with minimal wear and tear. You are pushing your cardiovascular system harder while going slower and minimizing shock on your joints.
So does riding an exercise bike at your local gym.
I agree with OP. Hill work may develop power, but in the end, no more than running fast does, and it's a power tailored for slogging up hills, not running fast. I don't believe it's less wear and tear either, just wear and tear on different spots.
To develop good power for speed, do the usual sprint drills, a-skips, bounds, buttkicks, etc. And, of course, sprint.
Do hills if you're gonna be racing up a hill.
It's resistance training.
Same concept as running longer and slower than the race you are training for.
Say you are training for a four minute mile.
Why would you run 10 miles at 7 minute pace?
Why would you run 200's in 26/27?
Why would you do any sit-ups?
You should just go and run four minute pace as far as you can go with every workout until you can hold that pace for a mile.
I bet you are part of the "stretching is bad" crowd too.
Got it:
1. Don't run hills.
2. Train like a 100 meter runner
3. Don't stretch.
The Animal Within wrote:
I bet you are part of the "stretching is bad" crowd too.
Got it:
1. Don't run hills.
2. Train like a 100 meter runner
3. Don't stretch.
You think you're funny, but yes, all those things are very good advice for those who want to run fast. Unless, as I said, the race is going to be uphill.