On paper, berryhill's training appears sound. It seems to logically cover all of the bases. I consider it a perfect athlete's schedule. By that I mean it contains workouts athletes would buy into. But, it does not work, not for Berryhill, not for anyone, really. Sure Hall ran fast, but he would have anyways. irv Ray's training is does not produce!
Recently been sick, injured, anemic - likely not enough reserves to get through the rounds - too bad for him. Webb will toast everyones buns anyway. People question his tactics. Wasn't he one of the first to ditch the NCAA system and turn pro? Seems like good tactics to me.
that happens when people overanalyze running..."on day x you have that vo2threshold workout at 76% percent lactate and on day z do that muscular breakdown recovery session".
This guy has so much talent/speed, it's a shame.
Berryhill has the speed. He just needs to switch coaches.
ist mike miller woh finished dfl also coached by irv ray?
if you watched the race you would see that Miller ate shit in the race.
great job Irv! having Berryhill run 4x400 workout in .49 seconds. what did that accomplish for someone coming back from anemia and preparing to run 3x1500 in 4 days.
Irv is a BOZO. have fun thru 2008, Brian.
This was a transition year -- this is why this board is bogus -- guys who have no idea about long term planning and only think about "the season." Fuck, people ragged on Webb/Raczko all of 2003 and know they're licking their balls again.
Name one world class athlete the RWTB system has produced. There aren't any...face it trackhead, your idol is all talk.
trackhead...
i am not judging the entire training methodologies on one person. i just do not feel it is effective. ironically, as i stated, when i look at it, it appears insanely sound. based on many different experiences, i feel that it is not effective and i do not fully understand why, but i do know workouts do not always translate to race performance.
I guess the point I am trying to make -- do not jusge RWTB/Irv off of a single season. Brian's training was geared long term with the understanding that he would be very very tired for most of this year.
Irv got a fantastic recruiting class and look for results from UCR in the coming years. You're right -- it is soundly based and I fail to see any sigficant differences from what Irv preaches and what Renato does. The only difference is the calibur of athlete that Renato frequently gets, and he duration. So often Irv had a talented athlete, like Hall, for a yeaer or two before they went somewhere else for various reasons (and not out of dissatisfaction).
I stress -- do not judge Irv's athletes (Brian) off of their first year -- remember where Webb was one year ago today and where he is now.
Sorry, trackhead. I liked RWTB as much as anyone, but no coach worth his stopwatch would sacrifice a 3:35 guy into a DNF guy in an Olympic year. Long-term success doesn't mean throwing out the proverbial baby with the bathwater. FWIW I don't think that Ray thought that there would be a chance of such a disastrous season. Something unusual is happening here. I think that BB has had more than a little bad luck than most this year- I would really like to hear what really is going on....
Trackhead:
Stay cool, man! You are right that people slammed Webb and Razco last year and now Webb is kicking butt, no doubt.
If Berryhill stays in the sport and trains with Ray for the next year in earnest, we will judge Ray next year. For now, we are at a stalemate.
Not to tick you off, buddy, but I was hoping that Ray would improve his methods and I thought that he had as good as shot as any to prove his way was effective when he landed a big fish like Berryhill who has a lot of talent.
Is it just me or did I see a ton of muscle on Berryhill's upper body? He looked like a decathlete. That can't be a good thing to carry that much weight upstairs. Tinman
Tinman,
I fully agree with you that Irv's opportunity w/ Brian is perfect to demonstrate his coaching ability -- especially since Berryhill has agreed to let Irv coach him thru '08.
Long term development is key.
Translation: My idol really can't coach, so setting a long time frame gives a useful excuse.
Hey trackheadache, you haven't explained why Irv had Berryhill run 4x400 in .49
Was this part of the long-term plan for 2008?
Leave trackheadcase alone. He's blinded by ignorance.