They sound silly
They sound silly
There's some weird stuff going on in this whole story -
- 27 year old comes out of no where to run sub-11 and make Olympic final and 4x1WR; physique is totally changed from previous long jumping days
- 27 year old acts bizarrely at post-race press conferences by refusing to show/talk
- 27 year old marries twice divorced 49 year old dude
- 49 year old husband gets sued as financial advisor for allegedly bilking unsophisticated investors out of millions
- 27 year old alleges molestation as a child; admits to personal bankruptcy in her own life
- parents sue 27 year old for libel, defamation
- sisters support parents, not 27 year old
Probably have family's dirty laundry aired in next two weeks. National enquirer type stuff.
I think she jacked her agent who stood behind her in lean years to go with the Hitler-inspired guy in Austria, too.
It goes to her character.
I always found Tianna Madison curious from a career arc perspective. Odd how she was able to win 2005 NCAA Indoors & Outdoors LJ, and 2005 WC LJ, turn pro, and then see her LJ and sprinting go down hill for 6 years. Often wondered if Kersee's volume training destroyed her speed. Muna Lee and others have commented about how Kersee's training didn't really fit the pure sprinter needs. But with Felix and Harper and others, how can you argue? Puzzling.
You know it's crazy bullshit because they don't have an attorney. Suing your own kid is one thing, it being for defamation makes it look worse, and being pro se just looks awful.
No one survives Kursing Koach Kersee.
Allyson would be a medalist in the 100m AND would have won gold in 08 if she was somewhere else.
Oh well.
I gotta be honest, there is no way in hell the parents are winning anything unless there's a lot more to this story that comes out.
I thought something was fishy about Tianna, not drugs, not something she personally did, but just something weird.
I really wish her coach and she could explain where she was from 2006-2011. Funny thing is she's so good she could disappear again and come back in 2016.
Maybe she just likes rich guys so she doesn't have to work?
Girl says her parents are bullying her out of her finances.
They respond by saying they are great parents and are suing her for money... exactly what she claimed their original goal was.
I don't feel that Madison has been behaving particularly bizarrely this year. Thinking back to 2005-2006, she never seemed to be particularly accessible or friendly to fans, media, or competitors - that's just her personality. Of course, having the kind of family that would actually sue her for libel, looking to get money from her, goes a long way towards explaining the little oddities...
Of course, it could be a Patty Schnyder type situation too. I hope not.
In any case, when I look at Madison, the one thing I don't think is "doping". The talent has always been there, you don't win long jump in the world championships at 19 years old without a lot of natural ability. Years of underperformance are over - she's a bit more cut, a lot more focused.
Can any legal experts on her comment on the difficulties in proving libel/slander in a case like this? My sophomoric understanding of these cases is that you have to prove the statement was false, made to others, and caused you harm.
Most detailed article about what transgressed:
http://morningjournal.com/articles/2012/09/08/news/doc504abef4b8e03937798273.txt
Hello, I happen to know Tianna Madison personally and it sickens me to read strangers make theories that are completely unfounded in reality about a woman that has overcome a lot of adversity.
She had given up on herself after 2005's championship, but with a strict diet, strong work ethic, and devotion to stop lying to herself, she managed to become the excellent sprinter she always had inside of her. Unlocking potential has nothing to do with doping, these runners are drug-tested all the time. Also a physique of a long jumper and that of a sprinter is different, they focus on different parts of the body. Also, she ate 2 pounds of steak a night for over 200 days(Facts are out there if you look).
Also, she didn't come out of no where...let's be real, if you know anything about sprinting, you should know her name, but no one cares about it until the olympics, so she magically appeared to the world because the olympics are every 4 years.
She refused to talk after her race, because her husband did not have credentials to get into the stadium during her race. She immediately ran out to celebrate with the only person that mattered to her at that moment in time..if that's bizarre, then you aren't human.
Save your gossip for high school.
John, is that you?
The truth is what may come out of this lawsuit.
Tianna can't run sub 11, John. She ran 11.5's and couldn't even make the finals of the SEC sprints while she was winning the 2005 World LJ title. And she was coached by Carol Smith, an excellent sprint coach. She was in excellent shape as well.
And the notion that LJ and sprint physique's are different. Tell that BS to Carl Lewis, Larry Myricks, James Lofton, and other doublers who did it all with the same physique. Her physique is different now because she's dirty and coincidentally running off the meter 100 times.
She sprinted in high school and at Tenn and showed none of the speed she now has at 27. A sprinter I know was surprised this year because she used to routinely "walk her down" in sprint relays. I'd like to hear what her former Tenn teammates think about how fast she is now.
Oh and the steak...did they serve that with yams?
But I never got to gossip in high school!
It's not like Madison was an 11.5 runner before this season, she's always had her occasional flashes like the 11.05 in 2009. I only saw her run or jump in a few meets in Europe since Helsinki, but her form seemed to be extraordinarily unstable, especially in the long jump - struggling to break 6 meters and then 6.50 or something decent every once in a while. And she was always far from her 2005 long jump form - I only noticed her because all the Helsinki 2005 performances seemed so outstanding to a person sitting there in the rain and cold, teeth chattering...
As long as Madison doesn't adopt new training methods that involve drinking 3 liters of orange juice a day, I'm happy for her.
Joe,I'm gonna start this comment by saying I think Tianna is likely clean, and her performances this year are due to her rededication to T&F and Rana Reider's training. I'll give you some insight w/the LetsRun crowd:Arguing to the LetsRun crowd about the unfairness of doping accusations against an athlete is like peeing in the wind. Not because they have anything personal against an athlete, but because most commenters have followed T&F (and other sports) and know common signs (sudden increase in performance, back acne, jaw changes, unexplained sudden withdrawals just prior to competitions, bizarre explanation for performance gains, changes in body type/muscularity, breakthru performances late in careers). Peruse the LetsRun message boards and you'll find suspicions raised against lots of athletes -- Lashinda Demus, FloJo, Debbie Dunn, Usain Bolt, and lots of others. People are even questioning Aries Merritt. It's not personal against Tianna, it's a bunch of suspicious commenters who smell smoke; sometimes its just smoke, and sometimes its fire.
Unlocking potential has nothing to do with doping
Debbie Dunn, Kelli White, Tim Montgomery and others might not say so.
These runners are drug-tested all the time
Oh boy, like pouring gasoline on fire to the LetsRun crowd. BALCO, Marion Jones, need we say more?
Also a physique of a long jumper and that of a sprinter is different
Might get some argument from history on that one.
She ate 2 pounds of steak a night for over 200 days
As mentioned previously, as long as it wasn't 3 liters of orange juice, sounds ok
She didn't come out of no where
History says otherwise per her 100m times:
2012 10.85
2011 11.29
2010 11.20
2009 11.05
2006 11.52
2005 11.41
To repeat myself, I think Tianna is on the up-and-up, completely legit. But the LetsRun crowd shows no one mercy, and is suspicious of everyone because prior T&F athletes (and other sports' athletes) have trained us to be that way.
arte wrote:
But I never got to gossip in high school!
It's not like Madison was an 11.5 runner before this season, she's always had her occasional flashes like the 11.05 in 2009. I only saw her run or jump in a few meets in Europe since Helsinki, but her form seemed to be extraordinarily unstable, especially in the long jump - struggling to break 6 meters and then 6.50 or something decent every once in a while. And she was always far from her 2005 long jump form - I only noticed her because all the Helsinki 2005 performances seemed so outstanding to a person sitting there in the rain and cold, teeth chattering...
As long as Madison doesn't adopt new training methods that involve drinking 3 liters of orange juice a day, I'm happy for her.
I always thought she started doping in 2009 and it took her a while to get a program going that worked for her (injuries, cramps, etc.). So the 11.05 was not legit. Look, it's this simple. If you can run sub 11 and 7.0 indoors, it will show up earlier than later. When you're in top shape and sprinting under the teaching of a top sprint coach, the ability will show. You're not going to be always 11.5 and 7.4. Her background speed is similar to Jeter's before she started using.
The LJ inconsistency, and probably the doping itself, is due to a knee injury where she had surgery and never could come back to her earlier jumping form. After her world title, and years of frustration, she probably had enough - wasn't getting any younger, hooked up with a sleazeball and went for it all.
And there you have it. She's a doper. Don't fool yourself - and everybody knows it.
Isn't her husband an old rich guy?
Gosh our female sprinters are just dynamite:
Allyson hanging out with pornstars and hoping to become Dwight Howards next baby momma
Carmalita don't even have to go there
Tianna...this
Tardmo...lol
Bianca Knight...bad gurl numba 1
Seems like the only, and I mean only stand up Gold medalist woman sprinter in our whole darn country is named Sanya RichardsRoss and she's Jamaican!
If you want to understand why Jamaica is kicking our butts, look at how down to earth Jamaican Blacks are compared to American Blacks.
Husa Doper wrote:
2012 10.85
2011 11.29
2010 11.20
2009 11.05
2006 11.52
2005 11.41
You want to talk about coming out of nowhere, check out this progression...
2012 1:42.82 (27 years old)
2011 1:45.86 (26)
2010 1:45.23 (25)
2009 1:46.82 (24)
2008 1:45.71 (23)
2007 1:45.69 (22)
2006 1:47.45 (21)
The only hint I'll give is he is an American 800 meter runner. Is a 3 second improvement in the 800 possible at 27? Yes, but it is quite strange.
long jumper who began to concentrate on sprinting, runs 11.05 and then 3 years later runs 10.85 is not that shocking. But there was clearly something psychologically no good here. Her response to making the team, etc., was odd.
I know who will win this lawsuit. THe same ones who always win this type....the lawyers!!!