Do people here really think the best elite distance runners can sprint 11 flat for 100m?

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I agree their ability is greatly overstated. I myself have run 12.8 and am nowhere the level of the guys you are talking about; 31 min 10k, 4:18 mile ; so I'm sure the best are low 12 but you are right; 11second 100 guys are not rocking the distance races.

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Funny how stating the facts is now considered trolling.

From a standing or rolling start? Some may be surprisingly fast in terms of top speed. Take Rudisha, if he counts as distance. He's started an 800 in 23. Given a running start he could likely barrel through 100 meters in under 11 seconds.

I've read recently that elite runners up to 10k may have a higher amount of fast twitch fibers than previously thought. It makes sense, given how important a kick can be to winning races.

Rupp would run low 11's for a 100. That is fact. You dont understand the phrase world class athlete.

Almost all of these guys are doing olympic lifts in the weight room, speed drills, strengthing ativities.

You really think its crazy an Olympic medalist couldnt run a time equalvant to an average high school varsity sprinter?

Basic physiology and sports science is being challenged in regards to individuals having set fast and slow twitch muscles.

800 meter guys are a bit different. Coe ran 46.87 out of blocks, Rudisha has run ~45.5, Solomon ran 45.98 at Occidental, Jock just a touch slower at UCI, KD once ran a 44-point 4X4 split. THESE guys can probably run 10-high if they practice with blocks for a while.

If Rupp can run 1:42, then he can run 11 at the end of a workout. Rupp, Farah, and guys like that don't have a chance in hell of running those times. Farah is barely sub 1:49.

Distance fans keep trying to make ridiculous claims that elite distance runners are actually fast. They're not. That's why they're distance runners, who are trained not to go fast by sprinting standards but to maintain for a long time.

Go back and learn basic high school sports science before engaging in this debate.

The fact of the matter is what makes them so talented at long distance races is also what makes them the worst sprinters in the world.

Obvious Rupp fan. He wouldn't be able to run 11 seconds if his life depended on it. He just isn't genetically built to do that.

And yes, I would put my life savings in a bet on the average HS sprinter against any elite distance runner. I would also make the same bet for the average distance runner against the top sprinter in a marathon. Do you disagree now that Usain Bolt wouldn't be beat by the average high school marathoner in a marathon?

I-dont-knowww wrote:

Rupp would run low 11's for a 100. That is fact. You dont understand the phrase world class athlete.

Almost all of these guys are doing olympic lifts in the weight room, speed drills, strengthing ativities.

You really think its crazy an Olympic medalist couldnt run a time equalvant to an average high school varsity sprinter?

Basic physiology and sports science is being challenged in regards to individuals having set fast and slow twitch muscles.

Where's the beef? All I see is boasting. Where is an actual mark?

Produce an actual mark showing 11.0 speed or STHU.

Coach D, if you don't know that the current Olympic 5000m champion, who won the race with a blazing kick, can smash 1:49 for 800m, you aren't much of a coach.

5000m-man wrote:

Coach D, if you don't know that the current Olympic 5000m champion, who won the race with a blazing kick, can smash 1:49 for 800m, you aren't much of a coach.

Time to take out the trash here.

Once again, show me a REAL mark. All I see is BS. There are at least 400 times around this year from Solomon, Centro, Symmonds, and others. Where's the sprint times from Rupp? If he didn't do it, then HE DIDN'T DO IT. Period.

Show us a real mark or STHU.

I am a 14:40 college, 15:20 High school distance athlete so obviously I have some slow twitch/endurance abilities.

I ran 11.4 from the blocks in 11th grade.

Another high school team mate, who also ran 16 flat for 5k and did tons of distance running, ran 23.2 for 200.

I tend to agree with you OP, but there is a small segment of distance runners that are actually quite fast, with little or no training for sprints. I had no training and I ran 11.4, no weights, no block technique, no explosive training.

It all has to do with effort. Most people just don't know how to go 100% and never will. Sprinting effectively you have to know how to go 100%. Most people, 95% is their 100. Then they fall down and cry about how hard it was.

Avg person with 50/50 population split slow twitch/fast twitch going 100% with only basic mile training should be able to run under 12 seconds.

With lifting and sprint training virtually everyone except for the most slowest of LSD distance runners should be able to go 11 (for men) and 13 for women. Its not hard.

800 m 1:48.69 3 August 2003 Eton

1500 m 3:33.98 28 July 2009 Monaco

One mile 3:56.49 6 August 2005 London

2000 m 5:06.34 9 March 2006 Melbourne

3000 m 7:38.15 31 August 2006 Zagreb

Two miles 8:20.47 3 August 2007 London

5000 m 12:53.11 22 July 2011 Monaco

10,000 m 26:46.57 3 June 2011 Eugene

He has already broken 1:49 you f*ckwit.

Timed wrote:

Go back and learn basic high school sports science before engaging in this debate.

The fact of the matter is what makes them so talented at long distance races is also what makes them the worst sprinters in the world.

Obvious Rupp fan. He wouldn't be able to run 11 seconds if his life depended on it. He just isn't genetically built to do that.

And yes, I would put my life savings in a bet on the average HS sprinter against any elite distance runner. I would also make the same bet for the average distance runner against the top sprinter in a marathon. Do you disagree now that Usain Bolt wouldn't be beat by the average high school marathoner in a marathon?

I'm not saying he would run 11.0, but he would break 12. He has run 3:34 in the 1500.

More importantly your not understanding there is NOT some rule that what makes them good at distance makes them bad at sprints.

modern running is being defined by new dynamics in training that are making runers better than ever before. Going off the assumtion that being good in distance implies your bad at spints is just false.

They are now training like all around athletes and racing like it. Galen ran 1:49 in college as a 3:57 miler. He now is an equilivant to a 3:51-3:52 miler. You think he still is a 1:49 guy? I cant speak for the Bolt comparsion, bt Galen has shown strength in the 1500 for it to be considered feasable of him running low 11's in a hand time 100.

Timed wrote:

Go back and learn basic high school sports science before engaging in this debate.

The fact of the matter is what makes them so talented at long distance races is also what makes them the worst sprinters in the world.

Obvious Rupp fan. He wouldn't be able to run 11 seconds if his life depended on it. He just isn't genetically built to do that.

And yes, I would put my life savings in a bet on the average HS sprinter against any elite distance runner. I would also make the same bet for the average distance runner against the top sprinter in a marathon. Do you disagree now that Usain Bolt wouldn't be beat by the average high school marathoner in a marathon?

Rupp has run 11 seconds. That is however, hand timed and with a 2 step lead in. Of course we could just go with the assumption that Alberto is bullshitting the heck out of us...but I'm not convinced of that.

I could understand someone setting the mark as around 12 seconds or so for FAT/blocks/etc. but most of the top guys can run 400m in 50-52 seconds. Fairly certain you need to be able to run 100m faster than 13 if your capable of a 50-52 second 400m.

Back in 2003. Back then he was barley the best in the UK. Now, he's a double Olympic champion.

22 for the 200, absolutely. I'm a 33 year old 2:24 marathoner with a 14:52 above-30 5K road PR and I can roll a 23-sec 200 in road flats with a standing start. Granted I was a soccer player in my youth and had good sprinting speed but there's no way an elite marathoner wouldn't smoke my ass on any distance.

I'm a 32:30 10k guy and I ran 12.8 out of blocks. I don't think bekele could run 11.00 but he'd definitely be under 12.

Probably has been brought up, but if Rupp can do a 52 at the end of a 5K race, that's a 13 second 100M four times in a row. He might be able to do a 49 fresh which is a 12.25 4 times in a row.

If he doesn't beak 11.5 I would be very surprised. Mo Farah and Benard Lagat should definitely be able to rip a sub 11.