Serious question. According to the "insiders" it seemed like they were doing a lot of the same workouts, but Ritz was a non-factor in London. (Nice scalp for Levins.)
Serious question. According to the "insiders" it seemed like they were doing a lot of the same workouts, but Ritz was a non-factor in London. (Nice scalp for Levins.)
didnt ritz miss a lot of training in the past year or two? an injury or something?
Good question. I was wondering the same thing.
iyugiuh wrote:
didnt ritz miss a lot of training in the past year or two? an injury or something?
Ritz is constantly getting injured but I thought that this time he was actually healthy for over a year. He ran his sub-13 after marathon training so I figured he'd be ready to roll at 10,000m after his marathon OT training.
Ritz didn't tank. He was 13th place, about 15 seconds off the winner's time.
That's not tanking. That's just "I'm not fast enough over the last 800m to medal in the Olympics."
The results were consistent with their race results leading up to the games. Did you think Ritz was sandbagging?
Surprise! wrote:
Ritz didn't tank. He was 13th place, about 15 seconds off the winner's time.
That's not tanking. That's just "I'm not fast enough over the last 800m to medal in the Olympics."
It sounds like you don't understand much about the 10,000 - or running in general.
You don't get wasted by 15 seconds in the last 800 because "you're not fast enough in the last 800m."
You get wasted by 15 seconds in the last 800 because you weren't strong enough to handle the first 9200.
Now, back to the adult conversation: Ritz PRed in the marathon in January. Where the hell was his strength in London? Training with Farah and Rupp and focused on the 10,000 all year you wouldn't think getting back to some speed would be such an issue that he winds up getting dusted off of 27:45 pace.
brogan1 wrote:
Ritz is constantly getting injured but I thought that this time he was actually healthy for over a year. He ran his sub-13 after marathon training so I figured he'd be ready to roll at 10,000m after his marathon OT training.
That's what I was hoping, too. Just don't understand how his fitness could have been wasted so badly.
Doesn't "they were doing a lot of the same workouts" answer your own question? That clearly says that they were not doing all the same workouts. Moreover I think Salazar is going to deliberately plan workouts for them to do together in as much as he knows they can all stay together. So of course in those workouts they are going to do about the same.
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
Serious question. According to the "insiders" it seemed like they were doing a lot of the same workouts, but Ritz was a non-factor in London. (Nice scalp for Levins.)
They weren't doing EXACTLY the same training. Similar workouts, yes, but I think Ritz was usually a few seconds behind Rupp and Mo in most track sessions. Plus he's never really had great closing speed.
Kinda wish he'd do the Great North Run with Mo instead of Chicago, half-marathon seems like his best distance and I'd love to see him get the AR.
maybe he's just not quite as talented as Farah and Rupp?
You make it sound too simple. Running the first 9200M is the easy part. Ritz got smoked the last 800 because he couldn't accelerate. Had the pack been running at a sub 27 pace the first 9200M, he and many others would have gotten smoked the last 800 with or without a kick.
Running the last 400M in the 10000 race in 53-54 sec means they all had too much left at the end. (nothing I could ever do)
Ritz was probably training and racing clean.
ranbarts2 wrote:
You make it sound too simple. Running the first 9200M is the easy part. Ritz got smoked the last 800 because he couldn't accelerate. Had the pack been running at a sub 27 pace the first 9200M, he and many others would have gotten smoked the last 800 with or without a kick.
Running the last 400M in the 10000 race in 53-54 sec means they all had too much left at the end. (nothing I could ever do)
wrong!
means they are stronger aerobically
2012xxx wrote:
maybe he's just not quite as talented as Farah and Rupp?
Wrong. Look at his 5000 - HM range. PRs 12:56/1:00:00 - you know that, right?
The guy should NOT be leaving 2012 with seasonal bests of 13:14/27:36. Track season a total wash. WHY? Can he really have just stagnated in the marathon while losing so much track speed?
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
2012xxx wrote:maybe he's just not quite as talented as Farah and Rupp?
Wrong. Look at his 5000 - HM range. PRs 12:56/1:00:00 - you know that, right?
The guy should NOT be leaving 2012 with seasonal bests of 13:14/27:36. Track season a total wash. WHY? Can he really have just stagnated in the marathon while losing so much track speed?
You have issues.
Surprise! wrote:Ritz didn't tank. He was 13th place, about 15 seconds off the winner's time.That's not tanking. That's just "I'm not fast enough over the last 800m to medal in the Olympics."It sounds like you don't understand much about the 10,000 - or running in general.You don't get wasted by 15 seconds in the last 800 because "you're not fast enough in the last 800m."You get wasted by 15 seconds in the last 800 because you weren't strong enough to handle the first 9200.Now, back to the adult conversation: Ritz PRed in the marathon in January. Where the hell was his strength in London? Training with Farah and Rupp and focused on the 10,000 all year you wouldn't think getting back to some speed would be such an issue that he winds up getting dusted off of 27:45 pace.
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
brogan1 wrote:Ritz is constantly getting injured but I thought that this time he was actually healthy for over a year. He ran his sub-13 after marathon training so I figured he'd be ready to roll at 10,000m after his marathon OT training.
That's what I was hoping, too. Just don't understand how his fitness could have been wasted so badly.
I imagine it does not strike you as funny that you simply dismiss the obvious and go back to your never-never land where, remarkably, the fact that reality diverges so completely from your mental constructs causes you to question reality rather than your mental constructs.
Ritz explained what happened in his blog. He got gapped by dozing off and wasted his finish just getting back in contact.
Then he isn't ready for prime time. I like him but that shouldn't happen in the race of his life.
Only enough of the "good stuff" for Rupp and Farah.
Rupp = doped
Ritz, not doped