Former junior world champ Mathew Kisorio claim drugs is normal in Kenya

reuters...seems legit. where are the brosjo? can we send employee #1 back to kenya to gather exclusives?

Duh!

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Mr Kisorio is lying, he got busted for cheating and he is trying to take down people with him, these guy has struggle to break into the marathon and he cheated and lied. it seems those steroids did not help him, he needs to be running 2:05 and below if he is doping. Matthew Kisorio (Kenya) - 2:18:15, he has a best of 2.10 in marathon, Kisorio is a liar, he is trying to tanish the hard working kids who play by the rules, Mr Kisorio better get ready because him and his doctors are going to be busted, the Government is investicating and he maybe going to jail with his doctor soon.

He said that the stuff was going to stay in his body for 3 days, how come his stayed longer and got got? He is lying, he will have to name the doctor and face the law.

If this is true, every single Kenyan Athlete should be banned from marathon majors until the problem is cleaned up. At least in the USA, those who cheat try to do it in seceret, but if there are literally "drug stores" in Kenyan providing PEDs then all must suffer to get a wrap on the problem.

Lie Lie wrote:

Mr Kisorio is lying, he got busted for cheating and he is trying to take down people with him, these guy has struggle to break into the marathon and he cheated and lied. it seems those steroids did not help him, he needs to be running 2:05 and below if he is doping. Matthew Kisorio (Kenya) - 2:18:15, he has a best of 2.10 in marathon, Kisorio is a liar, he is trying to tanish the hard working kids who play by the rules, Mr Kisorio better get ready because him and his doctors are going to be busted, the Government is investicating and he maybe going to jail with his doctor soon.

okay because pretty sure I just actually read the article where "David Okeyo, Secretary General of Athletics Kenya" says "We don't joke with doping matters. This year alone, we have banned four athletes".

Hmmmm so what is it? He is lying huh? What when multiple failed tests are confirmed by the secretary of Athletics Kenya.

Bottom line is, we can be sure that, unlike the general perception, drug taking 100% exists in Kenya. To suggest that only average athletes like Kisorio are the only ones taking stuff is about f%$king ignorant as it gets

Simon Ripsnitch wrote:

To suggest that only average athletes like Kisorio are the only ones taking stuff is about f%$king ignorant as it gets

Average 12:57 (5000m) and 58:46 (HM) runners?

Right. So one small region of the world has the monopoly on the greatest distance running talent ever seen. Keep telling yourself that.

White agents with profit motives + Poor Kenyans with $$ on their mind = do anything to achieve success.

DOPERS

Truth Sayer wrote:

Right. So one small region of the world has the monopoly on the greatest distance running talent ever seen. Keep telling yourself that.

White agents with profit motives + Poor Kenyans with $$ on their mind = do anything to achieve success.

DOPERS

It is not only drugs. It is also a lack of serious competition. White guys virtually vacated the sport in mid-80's. They now run times that were usual 30-40 years ago. At the same time, their physical potential in the 400-1500 m should be superior to all other regions in the world.

I am answering to a post from a thread that was dleted. This \"sport physiologist\" always come out with his height charts (provided that they are accurate) to try to prove a point.

The problem is that Europe for him, is limited to the Nordic & Dinaric nations. He CONVENIENTLY rug under the carpet the fact that Southern & Western nations have in average higher population that those countries.

Hey Buddy, Italy has an higher population than the combined pops of The Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Lithuania, Serbia etc... For one Sweden in the North, you have a Portugal in the South, for another Norway you have a Greece.

So, listen. What\'s your agenda here ? Don\'t you consider Non-Nordic Whites? You are carefully selecting certain countries that your needs, that\'s called nitpicking.

You\'re saying that 15 events in athletics need above average height of 180 cm.

Well, very few of the events are dominated by the nations you mentioned (or have ever been). So your observations are based on speculation only (too much \"if\", too much conditional...) and are simply wrong.

Guess what! Track is probably more popular in Europe than in the US. How many World champs have ever been organized on U.S. soil ? none !! In Europe ? Many ! Where are most of the Golden league meetings ? Do you know that most of the fast kids in the US would rather go into the NFL/NBA/MLB or whatever 3-letters pro league...

I mean, the U.S even organized the soccer WC but never the Wch in Athletics because nobody

The most popular sport in Europe: Football, (which has seen a significant increase in height: Shortest team in the last Euro : Spain 180 cm) is heavily dominated by the Latins. The Netherlands have an higher number of registered football player than Spain and Portugal combined. Both Denmark and Norway have an higher number of registered players than higher populated Portugal!!!

That problem with you is that everything is speculative ! You want people to believe things that you (an anon poster on a barely moderated website ) cannot prove yourself...

East Africans are genetically superior 800m-42195m

Deal with IT.

Truth Sayer wrote:

Right. So one small region of the world has the monopoly on the greatest distance running talent ever seen. Keep telling yourself that.

White agents with profit motives + Poor Kenyans with $$ on their mind = do anything to achieve success.

DOPERS

Yes, yes it does. I saw a study once that took random school kids from Iten and trained them to elite levels in 3 months. These were non-runners, no reason to think they were talented.

yyy wrote:

East Africans are genetically superior 800m-42195m

Deal with IT.

With drugs or without drugs, East Africans would still dominate. The best in the world can close a fast race in 52-53, and how they get to that level is where the questions should be asked.

In 1960, a barefoot guy named Abebe Bikila comes out of Ethiopia and dominates everybody in the marathon. It's been all downhill for white distance runners since then.

The things are not speculative. IF ALL OTHER THINGS WERE EQUAL, the picture is quite clear. In some sports, the differences in the numbers of potential talents would be so high that only a complete lack of participation could explain it. Of course, team sports are not a good example, because they depend on more factors than just physique. Furthermore, the role of climate is high as well (Where will you improve your football skills in Sweden during January? On ice?)

But I can give you a nice example: The Netherlands have roughly 15-20-times more guys with the average height of a NBA player than US blacks PER CAPITA, which means that they would prevail at least 5-6 times in absolute numbers. Yet the Dutch don't give a damn about basketball! Basketball, an eccentric sport, where 95% people can't compete at the highest profi level only because of insufficient height, needs a specific culture. Ironically, it is countries with a surprisingly small height averages like Spain, Turkey or Argentina that excel in this sport, which would be mindboggling, if we presumed that international competition were high. It isn't.

yyy wrote:

East Africans are genetically superior 800m-42195m

Deal with IT.

What do you base this claim on? A nation 171 cm tall is genetically superior in the 800 m distance, where top runners are 180-181 cm tall? You don't know anything about the physiology of the sport and the only "proof" you have are 7 black runners in the 800 m final - an utter absurdity of human biology.

The best in the world can close a fast race in 52-53.

You mean the most drug loaded one?

Sports physiologist wrote:

yyy wrote:

East Africans are genetically superior 800m-42195m

Deal with IT.

What do you base this claim on? A nation 171 cm tall is genetically superior in the 800 m distance, where top runners are 180-181 cm tall? You don't know anything about the physiology of the sport and the only "proof" you have are 7 black runners in the 800 m final - an utter absurdity of human biology.

When you look at the 1500 m final (and even historical stats), there you usually see much more European and Moroccan/Algerian guys than in the 800 m. Something like this would be physiologically impossible. The only rational explanation: The 1500 m race has a much higher credit outside Africa and hence it attracts the largest proportion of available talent. In contrast, international competition in the 800 m is quite weak.

LMFAO I found you!

It is funny that in the countries you claim BasketBall is popular you forgot ex-Yougoslavia.

Basketball is far more popular in Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Montenegro etc... than in every single country you mentioned. Yet, none of those teams made it to the Olympics (even though they used to be good) !!! It also the national sport in Lithuania,(one of the rare country in Europe and in the World in this case).

I'm pretty sure that you forgetting to those entities is not an innocent omission. WE both know that and we know why you carefully avoid .

In Argentina, BBall is a minor sport (behind Football, Polo, Rugby) yet they are the only team not named USA to have won the oly gold in the past 20 yrs. They also destroyed Lithuania this year in the Olympic tournament(where, I repeat the sport is the number 1, they have a fully professional league unlike Argentina ).

"Of course, team sports are not a good example, because they depend on more factors than just physique"

But the Dutch should be dominating BasketBall ? You contradict yourself buddy!!

Could you tell me then, why tennis the most (by far ) popular non-team sport in Europe is dominated by Spaniards (highest number of player in ATP top 100) . It is extremely popular in Sweden....

It is a sport where height can give you an advantadge (look at the size of the girls in tennis) in the serve by example.