why cant our men and women medal in weightlifting? Ok, I will give the men a pass. Certain body types conducive to the best weightlifting are overwhelmingly found in certain Asian and European countries.
But, with women, it seems more evenly spread out. In fact, we have quite a strong stock of people of Eastern European descent here. Why can't our women at least bring home a medal? Some of them are HUGE! Like Nick Mangold's sister Holley Mangold. she is 5'8 320 pounds.
not enough juice. plus our diets svck
not enough juice? lol, we are able to provide the top quality pharmaceuticals especially if 3rd world iran and turkey, two dominant weightlifting countries, can get away with it....
maybe the women in other countries are just raised tougher, but we still have some farm girls here in america.
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why cant our men and women medal in weightlifting? Ok, I will give the men a pass. Certain body types conducive to the best weightlifting are overwhelmingly found in certain Asian and European countries.
But, with women, it seems more evenly spread out. In fact, we have quite a strong stock of people of Eastern European descent here. Why can't our women at least bring home a medal? Some of them are HUGE! Like Nick Mangold's sister Holley Mangold. she is 5'8 320 pounds.
Medal?!? You don't know the half of it. I was astonished the other day to learn that the U.S., a country of some 300 million people, sent one male and two female weightlifters to London. That's it.
our best go for the money in the juiced circuit.
What is the point of all these junior olympic weightlifting and OTC weight training camps if all we do is send a couple of people over?
Do others not meet the qualifying standards or something? It seems like the women should be a bit more competitive. I'm guessing that nick mangold's sister is one of the women. If not, she is a waste of 5'8 320 pounds.
This begs the question then. The women and the men put up such huge totals here in domestic competitions, makes me wonder if they are juiced. I think Ronnie Coleman benchpressed 1000 pounds.
Olympic lifting in anything under the super heavy weight has a lot to do with technique. And they all have a lot to do with power and explosiveness.
Some goes with who are in the sport too. I see here coaches taking someone who is 'strong' with a massive squat or bench press and being like you have a shot at Olympic lifting. While Hossein Rezazadeh (Men's world record in super heavy weight lifting) was a 2.00m high jumper as a junior before taking up lifting and his coach saw that and thought he may be explosive enough to be a world class power lifter. So he took a massive, explosive frame and stacked muscle onto it over a few years and you got the world record houlder.
And since not many people try it the test group is smaller. Not the best ATHLETES in the test group. And yes these guys are major athletes. It is a lot like how some high school athletes throw records in hammer and then get to college and the top American athlete is someone a good coach found who is somewhat good at discus but was on their teams 4x100 or a jumper.
The strongest athletes in the United States are usually only training so that they can do that for football. Or power lifting because that is just about moving a big weight and not the technique.
****But anyone that thinks Holley Mangold lifts that much just because she is fat is a complete idiot. She is obviously over weight, but she is an athlete and very explosive. She was able to catch on so fast because she did not do conventional women sports, she played lineman on her football team! She lifted weights, and ran full speed carrying all that weight to tackle and block. Far more than the 'average' fat chick does.
And the top men's
Some show did a thing on Mangold that was basically a feel-good piece pandering to the general overweight American populous to try to make them forget how useless they are and maybe they could be Olympians someday, too. It basically started out by saying that not every athlete has the perfect body and perfect image that we've come to expect with athletic success. Then they showed this chick and I almost threw up my dinner. The only thing uglier than a fat person is a fat person under physical stress.
she doesn't look that bad. if she tones up her face she would be a okay. otherwise, she is the dream girl of guys that love big yet shapely women. she is like granite underneath the fat and she has MASSIVE calves.
because Americans don't give a damn about weightlifting nigga
"Holley's personal record in the combined snatch and clean-and-jerk is 255 kilos (562.2 pounds)."
That is like 6 Letsrun girly boys!
Massive calves...lol those are called cankles, my friend!
She was also wearing this "Running Sucks" t-shirt that was barely able to hold itself together from trying to contain the torso of this beast, which is a testament to her obvious piss-poor attitude toward actual athletic ability. I wonder if they did an introspect piece on Rupp during his training, would he be wearing a shirt that says "Weightlifting Is For Overweight (propobably) Diabetic Hambeasts Who Need a Legitimate Excuse for Being Fat and Pathetic Disgusting Tubs of Lard." I really wish I could share your optimism about her looks, because after all pretty much everyone can be attractive when they are at a normal weight and have decent muscle mass, but really it was this attitude of hers captured perfectly by this shirt that turned me off.
Well, she will NEVER really be in a position to starvel Her brother is a multi millionaire, so you know she is also gonna be well taken care of.
Maybe she is just one of those types that naturally have a lot of muscle. She will never be a world class distance runner, but I can't say it works the other way around. Miler at least, if you consider it distance, can be pretty strong for their size.
Only thing worse than US weightlifting is Craig masback as a sports annoucner
your all pretty much outsiders looking in.
Most people in the sport of Olympic lifting do not really like Mangold because of exactly what you are saying. They do not want people to think only fat people do lifting.
Except for the super heavy weight classes where there are no weight limits, everyone is ripped and has like zero percent body fat because they try to only have helpful mass, which fat is not.
Man set world record earlier this week clean and jerking 3x his body weight. 370lb at 123lb body weight.
i personally find her attractive, just for the fact that I think really strong white women are attractive. she probably just has baby fat on her face that will dissapear as she gets further into her 20s.
the "Bench Press" in America ruined weightlifing!...that's all they care about!...what's your "Bench"?
The org that runs weightlifting is highly dysfunctional. The president of the board is an old-timer who refuses to bring in folks who could actually make changes and update the training methods. He runs the place and yet is not willing to be the CEO as then he would also have to accept responsibility for his failures.
Getting rid of him would be a good start. Then hire a good CEO and then a good coaching education person along with a very good international coach. Start to develop good US coaches, the athletes will come.
Worked well in cycling...
More emphasis in eastern Europe on oly lifts
Usa emphasis is absolute strength ie bench squat rather than special strength, clean snatch.
Numbers too.
Technical demands of lifts.
Low number of qualified coaches. Hard to find in my area.
Properly set up gyms.