Will the NCAA sanctions affect all athletes at PSU?

I agree that other sports should not suffer, but should the football players suffer? I mean they didn't cover up Sandusky

The football team funds the entire athletic program. There will certainly be cuts across the board.

They should lose all state funding forever and should have to drop football for one year.

taxmantaketh wrote:

They should lose all state funding forever and should have to drop football for one year.

I see that you have failed to understand the topic of this thread. Read the question in the OP again and, if you wish, try posting a response that has something to do with the topic.

taxmantaketh wrote:

They should lose all state funding forever and should have to drop football for one year.

Really not sure what this would accomplish other than hundreds of people who have done nothing wrong being punished for the acts of a handful of men with too much power.

Capital punishment wrote:

Really not sure what this would accomplish other than hundreds of people who have done nothing wrong being punished for the acts of a handful of men with too much power.

This is a tough one but I tend to agree with you. The profit the football program funds a ton of stuff at PSU and the football teams home games are big for restaurants, hotels, etc.

If Joe Paterno were alive today, I imagine he'd likely be going to jail right? The other guys involved are all being prosecuted. I never understood why thery were charged and he wasn't but the new info shoes he likely committed perjury right???

I would think NCAA bans for the AD, President, Paterno (if her were alive) etc. Those that covered it up but i agree with you - why punish kids who had nothing to do with it.

The football program should be punished because it broke the law for years. The football program ran PSU. The football coach told everyone to go to hell and do it his way. When football is that important the school should do without the program. The PSU donors just had their biggest year ever in terms of raising money. That shows what misplaced priorities they have. Shut football down for one year and let any player who wants to transfer leave and not sit wherever he goes.

If Joe Paterno were alive today, I imagine he'd likely be going to jail right? The other guys involved are all being prosecuted

Rojo: How did you get in a ivy league school. He would not be going to jail because he did not do anything illegal. He reported what was told to him. The other two guys lied to the grand jury . The grand jury did not feel that Paterno lied.

Shut football down for one year and let any player who wants to transfer leave and not sit wherever he goes.

I guess you think 84 players no matter what year they are in can just leave and have a scholarship lined up at another school. Why don't you think before you write something this stupid.

All 84 players can play somewhere. Who gives a crap if they get rides or not. Football needs to be shut down for one year. The culture of football has run the university and they way to stop is to take away football.

The perps are going to jail. The families are ostracized forever. The statue is down. Hopefully the victims can start to find some kind of peace in thier lives. PSU can afford to pay the victims whatever they want in restitution. The NCAA can create new governance/oversight & education for staff & students.

Time to start over with a new president, athletic director, coaching staff,traditions and a pledge to never let this happen again. Don't look back but don't forget. Don't punish the current players, students or the fans.

I think they could all live with this without complaint. Anyone that does can lose the privelege to attend and be shown the door for not being part of the solution.

Not sure what else can be done that will actually make a difference while creating the least amount of collateral damage.

Fred Gwynne wrote:

If Joe Paterno were alive today, I imagine he'd likely be going to jail right? The other guys involved are all being prosecuted

Rojo: How did you get in a ivy league school. He would not be going to jail because he did not do anything illegal. He reported what was told to him. The other two guys lied to the grand jury . The grand jury did not feel that Paterno lied.

Wrong! Lets say your the CO of a massive supermarket store. A young worker comes into your office and says..I just saw rick from 2nd floor raping the hell out of Lisa in the stairwell. You have an obligation by law to contact LAW ENFORCEMENT NOW!You have a crime in progress, just occurred, occurring or others are in immediate danger of continued occurrances...by law you must contact authorities. I have charged many scum for just such a case. What you have heard isn't half of what Paterno DID NOT DO. What he did do was totally opposite of what a reasonable person would have done. He withheld information, he incited others to do the same, he obstructed...and way worse. Hopefully it will all come out one day. Only victims are the young boys here.

There's little philosophy involved here. Loss of ads have decimated PSU sports. No Big 10 nor NCAA football school will play for free no matter if it's PSU they are playing or if it's USC. People want to be paid.

Fred Gwynne wrote:

If Joe Paterno were alive today, I imagine he'd likely be going to jail right? The other guys involved are all being prosecuted

Rojo: How did you get in a ivy league school. He would not be going to jail because he did not do anything illegal. He reported what was told to him. The other two guys lied to the grand jury . The grand jury did not feel that Paterno lied.

Key words: did not feel.

That is past tense. Now that the freeh report has come out, it directly contradicts what Paterno told the grand jury. He told the grand jury that he knew of nothing until 2001. According to the report, he knew about what happened in 1998 too, but concealed it. That is a lie. Lying to a grand jury=perjury. Perjury=punishable by jail time.

Someone explain why the NCAA feels their sanctions against PSU is more justice for crimes committed and dealt with in the public justice/court system.

As a sport governing body, they are punishing the whole university in revenue, student admissions, other worthy programs that have nothing to do with what happened including other sports programs on campus, local economy etc...

The question posted was will this impact other sports on campus. Heck yes it will, their Big 10 reputation has been tainted for some time until people are ready to move on. That means tv revenue, ticket sales, retail, shared bowl game revenue etc... that is used to support other programs on campus including minor sports.

Wrestling might be the lone survivor without impact but we'll see. I think if they can find a way to overcome this without it hurting their program then the other sports will have a chance too. It will be easier with a guy like Sanderson at the helm and winning an NCAA title though.

I just don't get how the NCAA sanctions against current students serves as a penalty in a crime of this nature and feel it's quite a large bit of piling on and chest thumping to save their own necks/pathetic reputation.

For Heaven's sake, how much money is the NCAA raking in from football revenue and how much are they willing to kick in to help payback some restitution since PSU is one of their member schools? I haven't heard they feel the need to help make ammends other than doling out punishment.

First of all, the 60 million dollar fine has to be paid by the football program or by the academic side of the school. The cross country or track team budget is not going to get reduced to help pay for it. It is likely, however, that several athletes will pack up and move elsewhere, and not just football athletes. The ramifications of this will reach all corners of Penn State in some way. As for the the football team, well they're essentially dead in the water right now. I think it wouldn't be a stretch to say that the football team will take at least a decade rebound from this.

"No current sponsored athletic team may be reduced or eliminated in order to fund this fine."

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/20120723/21207232

absolute wrote:

"No current sponsored athletic team may be reduced or eliminated in order to fund this fine."

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/20120723/21207232

Yes, but moving forward, this does not address reduction of programs based on athletic department decisions to cut back due to decreased funds stemming from lack of money brought in by the football program's income. See University of Maryland board decision to cut certain sports, based primarily on decisions made by administrators and programs (football, basketball, new facilities built) that were separate from the sports cut.

In other words, when football/athetic dept. is in good state, all sports are safe, when football is sanctioned or poorly managed, all other sports suffer, but football moves on in its bungling manner, with the problem it caused just a blip on its radar (here, blip is bigger, but Penn Sate will one day recover in grand scheme of things; whereas men's diving or cross country may be cut forever, like UMD situation).

reading 101 wrote:

That is past tense. Now that the freeh report has come out, it directly contradicts what Paterno told the grand jury. He told the grand jury that he knew of nothing until 2001. According to the report, he knew about what happened in 1998 too, but concealed it. That is a lie. Lying to a grand jury=perjury. Perjury=punishable by jail time.

He was asked if he knew of inappropriate sexual conduct. The investigation in 1998 was closed due to the fact that they couldn't determine if what had occurred was sexual in nature. If he had been asked if he heard of any inappropriate conduct, instead of inappropriate sexual conduct, and answered the same way, then I could see that being perjury. When talking about perjury, every word counts, and what happened in 1998 was not deemed to be sexual by the police.