Everybody bicthes (especially Frank) about Waldemar was on drugs at the olimpic Marathon in 1976. Question: What about Don Karddong ? What he has done before and after the Olimpics? 2 minutes ahead Viren? 30 SECONDS BEHIND FRANK WOW!!!! WHATEVER DRUG WALDEMAR TOOK AT HIS PRIME, FOR SURE MR.KARDONG TRIPLE THE DOSE, TO FINISH AT 4TH PLACE AT THE OLIMPICS!!
This thread reminds me of that segment on the old Art Linkletter show-Kids say the darndest things. Some of those kids, in reply to something Art would ask or say, would come up with some of the most off-the-wall stuff in the world. Think he wrote a book with the same title.
In answer to the question, Don (without ice cream, all would be chaos and darkness) Kardong got on with his life and has done more for the sport than just about anybody.
some olimpic marathoner wrote:
Everybody bicthes (especially Frank) about Waldemar was on drugs at the olimpic Marathon in 1976. Question: What about Don Karddong ? What he has done before and after the Olimpics? 2 minutes ahead Viren? 30 SECONDS BEHIND FRANK WOW!!!! WHATEVER DRUG WALDEMAR TOOK AT HIS PRIME, FOR SURE MR.KARDONG TRIPLE THE DOSE, TO FINISH AT 4TH PLACE AT THE OLIMPICS!!
1) Learn to spell please
2) Why the attack on Don Kardong? He had the physiology (as shown in published research) to be a successful athlete and was just that.
He stop being a competitive runner because at the time there was not a lot of money in running unless you had a medal of some color.
As noted, Don became an author and also was a big influence on one of the great US road races (Bloomsday).
You are out in left field somewhere. Kardong was a solid runner, running excellent 3 mile times that were quite close to those of Frank Shorter. It is natural, therefore, that by emphasizing maraathon training Don would become a marathoner capable of running near Frank in the Olympics.
Also, two points also need to be considered. First, Viren had run in 5 races the week of the marathon (2 x 10k and 3 x 5km, the 5k final the day before the marathon). No doubt, fatigue affected Viren's performance in the marathon at the Olympics (running slower than one might have guessed, though 2:13 is still solid).
Second, Frank was not at his best at the 1976 Olympics because he had a stress fracture in his foot. He is stud, in my opinion, because he ran a full marathon, placed second to a drugee, and ran 2:10. Without the stress fracture and better training in the spring and summer of 1976, who knows what Shorter could have accomplished. His friends think he would have run 2:08. That seems plausible to me too. Tinman
The true really hurts you guys ? Solid runner ? what about Cierpinski ? BE REAL!!! Bloomsday ? Some road race somewhere in the US? How solid is this?
hey some oli, i recognize you from your handle...aren't you one of those kids, grown up now, that appeared on Art Linkletter's tv show 'back in the day'? Still saying the darndest things, huh? The difference is when you were a kid you were unaware of stuff that came out of your mouth but as an adult there's no excuse for it...unless, no, not that!
DKardong needs no defending.
EPO
I would totally agree.
Don needs no defending.
He was a solid runner and totally class act.
scotth wrote:
In answer to the question, Don (without ice cream, all would be chaos and darkness) Kardong got on with his life and has done more for the sport than just about anybody.
What has Don done more for the sport than anybody? He's leached off the sport. I can't think of what he's actually done for the sport more than you Scott?
scotth wrote:
hey some oli, i recognize you from your handle...aren't you one of those kids, grown up now, that appeared on Art Linkletter's tv show 'back in the day'? Still saying the darndest things, huh? The difference is when you were a kid you were unaware of stuff that came out of your mouth but as an adult there's no excuse for it...unless, no, not that!
DKardong needs no defending.
Kardong was quite a character, funny guy. And man, did he love Cheerios and especially Fruit Loops. Talented, gutsy guy.
Some kid on here slamming Kardong. Why not Higdon, Henderson, Wilt, Osler, Corbitt or Sheenan?
Oh wait, you probably don't know who any of those guys are.
Oh absolutely Kardong had to be on steroids..the ones that make you 6'3 about 150 lbs. He and Frank were robbed...and unfortunately, due to the chaos that is the IOC...they will never be righted. Along with many others of course.
From now on when someone asks about that Olympic marathon, we should all say who the 'real' medalists were.
Levon wrote:
[quote]scotth wrote:
What has Don done more for the sport than anybody? He's leached off the sport. I can't think of what he's actually done for the sport more than you Scott?
Levon, you're kind but I can't carry Don's jock in the what-he's-done-for-the-sport dept.
Say, what country are you from?
Kardongs secret was fruit loops, not EPO, as he stated in a Runners World article. For all of you young bucks who need a shoe contract to train to become world class, Kardong was a grade school teacher who trained in the dark predominately before and after school. As one who has taught school and attempted to train with not nearly Kardongs results, I find his success amazing. I believe his bump up in time from May to July, to be attributable to one thing: Summer Vacation.
FS wrote:
EPO
What has EPO got to do with this? For one thing rhEPO was not around in 1976. Moron!
some olimpic marathoner wrote:
The true really hurts you guys ? Solid runner ? what about Cierpinski ? BE REAL!!! Bloomsday ? Some road race somewhere in the US? How solid is this?
Just ask his friends in the RRCA what Don has done for the sport. Why don\'t you educate yourself and try to go run 2:11?
Agreed re: Don is a class act.
I spoke with Don twice in the two weeks before the Olympics (once at a party when he had a good bit to drink!), watched him work out on the track once (repeat 800's around 2:20 at SUNY Plattsburgh, the pre-Olympic training site) and went out on the marathon route in Montreal to cheer him, Bill R & Frank S on. Don was careful to avoid overtraining: before the Olympics, he said he did not feel that the higher mileage of 120-140 miles per week that some other marathoners were doing was best for him (he had tried higher mileage). Instead, he said he got better results with 100-105 miles per week, although he advised that mileage is an individual matter that is best adjusted to the individual athlete.
Besides Froot Loops (the correct spelling), he also said in a RW article that he ate lots of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. He was travelling a lot at the time. He is known for his sense of humor.
Additionally, I'd like to point out that the main media source of accusations against Cierpinski that I am aware of have been Frank Shorter's suspicions. They have been reiterated many times over. I have yet to see any actual evidence that Cierpinski took any doping substances. A 2:09:55 in 1976 for a runner of his 10k ability is not out of the ordinary, considering the degree to which his training was carefully periodized and physiologically monitored.
I think that many who accuse others of doping without having evidence lack sufficient faith that bodies & minds can adapt to intelligently planned training. Cierpinski did extensive psycholgical training (incl listening to classical music to relax instead of only being able to go out for a run), used chronobiology knowledge to reset his internal clock to Montreal's time zone, ran from 5k to 60k per day in training, and had blood lactate montoring done while doing long time trials at close to marathon pace. He may have been one of the most scientifically developed marathoners in history. Using science to develop athletes is something that is being better applied by more countries than it used to be, but I still haven't seen many countries that used the talent identification and sport-science approach that Cierpinski's country did.
My god. To the original poster: OLYMPICS not OLIMPICS
luv2run wrote:
What has EPO got to do with this? For one thing rhEPO was not around in 1976. Moron!
That's right. It was blood doping, not rhEPO.
Geesh!