6 women run 1:58.5 or better in the PRELIMS of the Russian champs

Crazy results in 1500 also.

Putin putin' the *juice* back in program?

I love the Russian Trials.

i don't believe a 4'00 is anywhere as close to a 3'30

it's possibly more like a 3'32/3'33 in absolute terms

in that context 1/2 dozen ruskie gals running equivalent of 3'32/3'33 is that remarkable ( must be close to a dozen kenyans on men's side who are capable of that currently )

18 Secs PR down to 4 flat. She must have been training

hard last winter.

So NO WOMEN in the world ran faster than the equivalent of 3:32/33 last year? YEAH RIGHT.

Moron.

haha

The Oly A's are 4:05/3:35. I'll take those guidelines over some internet keyboard wizard with no credentials whatsoever.

moron

3'26.00 doesn NOT = 3'50.46

for a start hicham ran it in paced race close to his limit - nothing much to shave off there

qu's run was in championship race with significant uneven pace & no specified pacer - at even pace she wouda gone 3'49.0 maybe even dipping into the 3'48s

on top of that, no one seriously doubts hicham's run was better talent than qu, meaning his 1500 is superior to whatever qu couda run

even if you offer them parity

3'26 = 3'49

then 4'00 ->3'35.8

conversely, a men's 3'30 ->3'53.4, which indicates that the events were comparable in mid-'80s, but women have got left behind

the standard of women's 1500 running is shit poor & no way is it comparable to the men's in quality

ventolin^3 wrote:

moron

3'26.00 doesn NOT = 3'50.46

for a start hicham ran it in paced race close to his limit - nothing much to shave off there

qu's run was in championship race with significant uneven pace & no specified pacer - at even pace she wouda gone 3'49.0 maybe even dipping into the 3'48s

on top of that, no one seriously doubts hicham's run was better talent than qu, meaning his 1500 is superior to whatever qu couda run

even if you offer them parity

3'26 = 3'49

then 4'00 ->3'35.8

conversely, a men's 3'30 ->3'53.4, which indicates that the events were comparable in mid-'80s, but women have got left behind

the standard of women's 1500 running is shit poor & no way is it comparable to the men's in quality

You're an idiot. The women's 'real' 1500m record is closer to 3:55 than 3:49 or 3:50, uneven pacing or not.

moron

who says 3'55 ???

if chinese had been doped, then there 800nr wouda been 1'50

care to explain how all the might of china can't produce better than 1'55.54 ???

jelimo went 1'54.01 in recent years

Net wrote:You're an idiot. The women's 'real' 1500m record is closer to 3:55

an unknown ethiopian woman has just gone 3'56

you think she is an equivalent 3'27 talent when all the might of their men in history haven't gone quicker than 3'31.13 ???

generally, sensible analysts go with ~ 10% difference between women's men's times

it's probably about 10% for sprints ( 10.00 = 11.00, 20.00 = 22.00, etc ), but in longer distances, it will be slightly less than 10% as those races require less "explosive/muscular" component of the sprints, where men have huge testo advantage, & more on endurance, where women are much closer to parity

for 1500 up, you are possibly looking at nearer 9.5% differential

using 9.5 - 10%

for 3'26 ->3'45.5 - 3'46.6

for 3'30 ->3'49.9 - 3'51.0

conversely, a 4'00 ->3'38.1 - 3'39.1

Despite the "depth" of the Russian 800 runners, Mariya Savinova must be feeling pretty confident considering she just ran in the heats of the 400m, despite the 800m final being later today. And she didn't "just run" either, she ran 51.43...

Krivoshapka was fastest Q in 50.39

Anybody remember when the Soviets put together a women's 4x800 that ran under 8:00--and finished *third* to two other Soviet women's teams?

Yeah, better bodies through chemistry...

This is getting ridiculous. I love how few of these women very run outside of Russian, let alone fast outside of Russia.

ventolin^3 wrote:

i don't believe a 4'00 is anywhere as close to a 3'30

it's possibly more like a 3'32/3'33 in absolute terms

in that context 1/2 dozen ruskie gals running equivalent of 3'32/3'33 is that remarkable ( must be close to a dozen kenyans on men's side who are capable of that currently )

This is correct - Russian women = Kenyan men.

I would imagine the Russian system is more centralised and organised, but it's the same stuff getting the same results.

trollism wrote:This is correct - Russian women = Kenyan men.

I would imagine the Russian system is more centralised and organised, but it's the same stuff getting the same results.

idiot

i said close to dozen kenyans capable of 3'32/3'33

only 1/2 dozen ruskie gals close

( & now it doesn't look close to 3'32/3'33, more like 3'37/3'38 )

kenyan men are far superior in numbers/achievement than russian women in absolute terms at 1500

All irrelevant to my point, moron. (see what I did there?)

I was saying that the Russian women and the Kenyan men were all using the same good stuff imported from China. (available in any good health food shop in Nairobi, it seems.)

You guys are arguing with ventolin^3

Who does that anyone? Honestly? If there was a block poster button on these forums he'd be the number 1 blocked user.

o.O wrote:

You guys are arguing with ventolin^3

Who does that anyone? Honestly? If there was a block poster button on these forums he'd be the number 1 blocked user.