Robby Andrews will either win the 1500 or not make the top 3

So you predict he could get any place besides 2nd or 3rd? Talk about going out on a limb...

OP is saying that he's either going to be smart and stay close enough to blow away the field, or he's going to hang back too long and not even be in contention.

i don't think he has the fitness or hubris to be top 3 1500.

he's too young.

and wheating lacks the in-race smarts to pull it off in the 1500.

I know 2 spots are taken. Manzano is a freakin animal, no way he's not going to London. And Centro showed tonight that he's ready to roll. He gets that turnover going and just walks away from people.

I think he will either get 2nd or 3rd.

It's too early to count Robby Andrews out.

I expect him to make the team.

The final is a monster...even if it was a match race of just

Wheating

Centrowitz

Andrews and

Jordan Mac.

With Leer and Manzo.

This final has the potential to be a monster...

Or...a dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, typical, lazy assed slow sit and kick OT 1500.

That's probably what it is going to be.

So, that favors Andrews, Centro, Wheating.

I'm jacked up for that race like everyone else.

I hope it is a fair pace and a good race.

who takes it out fast and honest?

whirledpeas wrote:

who takes it out fast and honest?

Nobody. Everybody will wait for somebody else.

Nobody also will try a 600 meter drive. Everybody will wait for somebody else to do that, too.

Nobody will do anything except try to stay close as the pace picks up with 300 to go and everybody kicks with 100 meters to go.

A large blanket will cover the first five in.

The thing is, he only has to beat 2 of the 4: Torrence, See, Manzano, and Centrowitz.

Most likely this means he has to beat both David Torrence and Jeff See, wherever they finish.

I have to admit this final holds much in the way of intrigue, and Andrews is the wildcard. Will he make the mature moves to get himself into position for his kick, or will he pull a "Coe" and leave it too far back?

Or maybe he'll shock us all and lead the dern thing from start to finish ....

Actually, you figure he's not going to finish below top 5. So he's eliminating 40% of the prob. spots. Still not going out on a limb, but not bad.

A Duck wrote:

It's too early to count Robby Andrews out.

I expect him to make the team.

The final is a monster...even if it was a match race of just

Wheating

Centrowitz

Andrews and

Jordan Mac.

With Leer and Manzo.

This final has the potential to be a monster...

Or...a dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, typical, lazy assed slow sit and kick OT 1500.

That's probably what it is going to be.

So, that favors Andrews, Centro, Wheating.

I'm jacked up for that race like everyone else.

I hope it is a fair pace and a good race.

A Duck brings the stupid early and often.

Jordan Mac and Leer are footnotes, unless they get in an A standard guy's way. That would actually be a compelling story.

Centro wants a kickfest with Andrews, Manzano and Wheating?

Really?

And Torrence/See just dismissed?

I'd kill to see this thing at 2:55+ at the bell. Kill.

A Duck wrote:

This final has the potential to be a monster...

Or...a dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, typical, lazy assed slow sit and kick OT 1500.

That's probably what it is going to be.

So, that favors Andrews, Centro, Wheating.

So you're saying that a slow pace favors people with the fastest 1500m times, except for Manzano, who has run a1:44.

Does a fast pace favor the people that are slower at 1500m?

Maybe McNamara can pull away from tose guys if the pace is fast.

lost in Boston wrote:

whirledpeas wrote:

who takes it out fast and honest?

Nobody. Everybody will wait for somebody else.

Nobody also will try a 600 meter drive. Everybody will wait for somebody else to do that, too.

Nobody will do anything except try to stay close as the pace picks up with 300 to go and everybody kicks with 100 meters to go.

A large blanket will cover the first five in.

Who has the A standard? There's gotta be some guys in this race who are willing to get out there for the first 800 to set up a fast time. Some guys are very close and the weather has been fine for distance races.

Half the field needs the A-standard or they don't get to go to London regardless. That being said, I guarantee they're no faster than 2 at 800. Same scenario existedin the 5000 and Bethke is only person to help Trafeh out at all.

or thiss wrote:

Half the field needs the A-standard or they don't get to go to London regardless. That being said, I guarantee they're no faster than 2 at 800. Same scenario existedin the 5000 and Bethke is only person to help Trafeh out at all.

You would indeed think that these guys could get organized. In the 1500, I think that all 6 that don't have the standard probably believe that they can (maybe not Mickowski, but who knows).

You would think that they could agree to the following

Mickowski takes first 300 (gives time for guys to get organized behind him)

Bayer takes next 200

Batty the next 200

Miller the next 200

Leer the next 200

McNamara the next 100

(based on seed time from slower to faster)

Single file in that order, everybody on the rail. Move out to the back after your stint (well the first 3 at least)

Everybody on their own in the last 300

We have never seen more than 1 or 2 guys organizing themselves (and it never worked)

Maybe this year

If the first 300 is covered any slower than 44, then the chances of a sub 3:35.5 race is 0%.

Pace 57 to 57.5

Let's see

It's pretty clear who's going to make the team:

Leo, Centro and David

I mean, it will be a race, but that's who I got now.

whirledpeas wrote:

i don't think he has the fitness or *hubris* to be top 3 1500.

he's too young.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

It will be a long 500 meter drive with Centrowitz pushing someone from 2nd place.