What if someone with the Olympic B standard wins the US Trials in the 1500? Does that mean that the US will only send 1 person, since if you send a B standard you can only send 1 person, or will they skip them and send the next 3 runners with the A standard.
If one or more finishers have the A standard at the end of the race they will go in order of finish. The B standard runner is out of luck regardless of place. Only if no A standard athletes finish the race does the B standard runner go to the OGs.
Actually, the A athletes don't have to finish the race.
They can go to the semis or prelims to find qualifiers like they did in 2004 when Robison did not make it out of the semis in the 1500.
Now here's a question, speaking of 2004.
What if Ritz DNFed the 10,000 like Kennedy did.
They had 5 A qualifiers but Meb declined his spot and took his marathon spot.
Abdi and Dan Browne, placing 2nd and 3rd, took two spots.
Ritz finished last while hobbling and was given the third spot when Meb deferred.
What if Ritz dropped out? Who would have gotten the third spot, Ritz or Kennedy?
The B standard athlete will make the team only if they are the highest ranked finisher and no more than one ranked athlete has the A standard. An athlete is "ranked" if they complete any of the rounds.
Team selection criteria is here:
Name one "B" standard athlete who has a shot in hell of winning the 15.
Nobody would've taken the 3rd spot unless USATF made a judgment call.
Ritz wasn't given the 3rd spot. He earned it. Perhaps not in that race but making the team is about more than the trials race.
Good lord, a 22 page selection procedure book!? Why does this have to be so complicated, is every country like this?
silver medalist wrote:
Good lord, a 22 page selection procedure book!? Why does this have to be so complicated, is every country like this?
No, Athletics Kenya has simplified their marathon team selection procedure to having no defined criteria at all and picking whoever they bloody well want.
Ritz didn't earn the spot.
Meb gave it to him. Meb could have held the spot and just not lined up in the 10,000 at the Olympics.
Just like Lagat give his spot to Wheating last year.
If Dan Browne declined to double and just ran the marathon, then they could have given Kennedy a spot, too.
But back to my "what if".
I wonder if Ritz and Kennedy could have come to terms between the two of them to say who was going.
The IOC doesn't care who you send.
USATF would like to send a full team.
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Actually, the A athletes don't have to finish the race.
They can go to the semis or prelims to find qualifiers like they did in 2004 when Robison did not make it out of the semis in the 1500.
Now here's a question, speaking of 2004.
What if Ritz DNFed the 10,000 like Kennedy did.
They had 5 A qualifiers but Meb declined his spot and took his marathon spot.
Abdi and Dan Browne, placing 2nd and 3rd, took two spots.
Ritz finished last while hobbling and was given the third spot when Meb deferred.
What if Ritz dropped out? Who would have gotten the third spot, Ritz or Kennedy?
Neither. The way I read the selection criteria, if they DNF without completing a round (the 10,000 only has one round) they are not ranked and are not eligible for team selection.
But they can just change their rules on the fly.
Do we have examples of the US sending incomplete teams?
They seem to fill every hole.
I thought you could send A,A,B if you wanted to, since a country can send one B standard athlete? Has this changed, or am I just remembering things wrong?
Beer Machine wrote:
I thought you could send A,A,B if you wanted to, since a country can send one B standard athlete? Has this changed, or am I just remembering things wrong?
That was the rule for World Championships but it is not the rule at the Olympics. Countries can still send one B standard athlete but only if that is their only representative.
Can you get an A standard at the trials?
Vfitness wrote:
Can you get an A standard at the trials?
Yep but no chasing the A Standard after trials
"Protect the Winner"
That is/was the over-arching mandate, no?
So if a B athlete wins (US Marathon in '00), then unless this same athlete gets an A before the deadline, then the US send one athlete.
Think I heard that they changed the rules. If a B wins,only way they go is if there are 0 or 1 A athletes. Otherwise, B athlete gets passed over.
Realistically all of the B Standard athletes have to go for their A Standard in the semis to have a chance of making the team.
ok here's a scenario. say an a standard athlete makes the finals in an event but DNFs for some reason in the finals. is his "rank order" based on his fastest prelim time or is he simply placed as last in the final. i know it seems farfetched but it could impact who makes the team in the future
Nightmare scenario for the officials:
B standard athlete finishes in the top 3 but doesn't run an A standard time. The athlete then goes to Paris DL on 7/7/2012 and runs A standard just WITHIN the London qualifying window that goes until July 8.