I wonder if he has some new PED that makes his hands fire resistant?
Honestly, I'd think much less of him as a cardiologist and a coach if his athletes really are CLEAN?
I mean, why?
Salazar gives his athletes carte blanche to take thyroid within legal limits, and use low dose Sarms.
What idiot wouldn't push the legal limits and grey areas? These are professionals.
Remember the psychology study that asked athletes if they would sacrifice years off their life to win Oly gold? Well, for a pro, it's all about ensuring the financial future of your family for generations. Who wouldn't do WHATEVER it takes?
RC has given LRC and coaches and runners everywhere so much. I wish we could suck it up and give him the respect he deserves, even if we won't do it for anyone else.
Once again Junk Master is spot on regarding the 'grey' area of doping that is going on within our sport.
Low dose Sarms, thyroid medications and other research chemicals are being given to athletes. It's even more obvious now with the breakthroughs we've seen in the sprints and marathon.
Kenyans don't dope- Kenyan high school kids came to Nike Cross National and swept all the races they participated in,these kids dope too?
Runthedistance wrote:
http://athleticsillustrated.com/interviews/renato-canova/
Thank you for posting the interview with Renato Canova.
I agree with everything he says about training, believing in ourselves, and doing what is best for our lives. Anyone who believes in living the right ways would focus on getting the most from themselves, not in using some bogus medical means, as is proposed by the DRUG BELIEVERS on this thread and elsewhere.
Also I agree that WADA and the IAAF anti-doping agencies are hurting honest athletes everywhere, which is why I say they are the #1 reason that the drug issues are prevalent, because they are promoting them and are the only ones who benefit by their own self serving promotions.
The drug believing idiots don't benefit and the honest athletes are harmed, by the false accucations, invasive procedures and violations of privacy. The only ones who benefit are the drug corporations and agencies.
Wilson Kipsang (that he advises in his programs) – 2:05:49
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Cynical. wrote:
Wilson Kipsang (that he advises in his programs) – 2:05:49
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That's the time without the juice.
Please give me some evidence that Salazar's group, or anyone else for that matter, is using SARMs.
TLW wrote:
Once again Junk Master is spot on regarding the 'grey' area of doping that is going on within our sport.
Low dose Sarms, thyroid medications and other research chemicals are being given to athletes. It's even more obvious now with the breakthroughs we've seen in the sprints and marathon.
I think a lot of people just make it up as they go along. So let me understand this:
the sprints and the marathon are having breakthroughs because of advanced doping techniques, yet the middle distances are stagnant (as so many here seem to like to point out) because of increased and more comprehensive drug testing. You can't have it both ways.
If you want proof that this is a different era compared to previous ones as far as doping is concerned, look no further than the field event all-time lists.
Believing that RC's athletes are clean is like buying into the whole Lance Armstrong fraud.
Clean all American boy from Texas powered by mom's apple pie is so good that legions of admitted PED users, with more team doctors than many hospitals, are unable to defeat him.
Lance's guilt doesn't rest on being better than other people. There is plenty of evidence out there that he was blood doping, unlike with Renator's athletes, where your argument is "they're good, therefore they are cheating."
There's a big difference between saying that an athlete or group of athletes is doping and saying that you aren't sure that group of athletes isn't doping. We all have some level of performance that we find hard to believe. For example, if some 65 year old guy popped a 2:20 marathon a lot of us would think that the guy had either cut the course or doped to the gills or maybe done both. If he, or his coach said they'd "put their hands on fire" to prove the guy was clean it would have little effect on the general belief that the guy had somehow cheated his way to that performance. If he'd legitimately run that time, the general reaction would be grossly unfair to him, but understandable.
It's a sad state of affairs. If someone today did what Derek Clayton did, take his best marathon from 2:21 to to 2:09 in one race, there'd almost certainly be accusations unless maybe the athlete had run some spectacular track times, which Clayton really hadn't done. When those Chinese women destroyed the women's world records a few years ago most westerners "knew" they'd cheated with no more basis for that belief than a set of hard to believe times.
If those women had been Americans there would have been some questions asked but there would have been far fewer people who were sure the records were illegitimate. The more removed an athlete is from you as a rule, the more likely you are to question the legitimacy of that athlete's spectacular performance. That's always been true. If Viren was from, say, Minnesota, and had the exact same career (minus the appearances at the European Championships) we'd only have a fraction of the posts here that talk about him and blood doping. Thus, Lance Armstrong gets much more leeway in the west on the doping issue than an East African distance runner will.
McFlounder wrote:
Believing that RC's athletes are clean is like buying into the whole Lance Armstrong fraud.
Clean all American boy from Texas powered by mom's apple pie is so good that legions of admitted PED users, with more team doctors than many hospitals, are unable to defeat him.
So what, we all stupidly support the clean all-Kenyan boys from the Rift Valley Province powered by mom's ugali?
Jeff Wigand, the SARMS and other research chemicals are part of the reason yes.
Jeff, ask yourself where the money is in our sport. Sprints and the marathon right now.
Have a 3:35 1500 Kenyan train for the marathon on AICAR/GW1516 and you will get amazing marathon times and make $150k x 2 a year or have him run 3:30 and make $100k the whole year in Europe.
Which would you pick? $300k versus $100k.
TLW wrote:
Jeff Wigand, the SARMS and other research chemicals are part of the reason yes.
Jeff, ask yourself where the money is in our sport. Sprints and the marathon right now.
Have a 3:35 1500 Kenyan train for the marathon on AICAR/GW1516 and you will get amazing marathon times and make $150k x 2 a year or have him run 3:30 and make $100k the whole year in Europe.
Which would you pick? $300k versus $100k.
Agreed. The money is indeed in the marathon. The strange thing though is I believe the coach is telling the truth. I think they compartmentalize the whole operation, need to know basis or spiking the food or something.. Someone with the inside scoop need to tell us a little story, without jepodizing his sources.
Reuters) - Experts believe up to 100 undetectable performance-enhancing drugs similar to the banned blood booster erythropoietin (EPO) have been designed, German doping specialist Mario Thevis said on Thursday.
Thevis, who is based at the German Sports University in Cologne, told the Tackling Doping in Sport 2012 conference in London, presented by the worldsportslawreport, that the list of "80, 90, 100" new drugs similar to EPO was not exhaustive.
"They act like EPO but they are structurally different and that means the current EPO tests will not pick them up," he said.
"Fortunately we know about that problem and we have to develop new tests to help to find these drugs that, according to anecdotal evidence and rumours, are already used in elite sports although they are not officially launched yet.
"You cannot go to a pharmacy to buy these drugs. You might have (to have) good connections to get hold of those.
"It is quite difficult to develop tests when you don't have an idea what the molecule really looks like. If you don't know what the molecule looks like it's almost impossible to have a potential strategy."
EPO, which increases the number of red blood cells, has been used mostly by endurance athletes such as middle and long-distance runners and cyclists. A blood and urine doping test was introduced for the 2000 Sydney Olympics.
Anna Baoutina, a senior research scientist at the National Measurement Institute in Sydney, told the conference tests had been developed for detecting gene doping, defined by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) as the use of cells, genes or genetic elements to improve athletic performance.
"The major advantage of gene doping is that it's very difficult to detect compared to drug doping," she said. "The doping gene is very similar to the natural cells which are found in any body."
Baoutina told reporters later no test would be in place before this year's London Olympics.
"We are developing methods to fight it," she said. "But we have yet to see the implementation of these methods. WADA has to decide when these methods should be implemented."
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"There`s a publication in Clinical Chemistry (2011) entitled "The Athlete Biological Passport", which says there is an undetectable EPO on the black market and undetectable testosterone. The test for EPO is based on differentiating the isoforms in synthetic EPO, and someone has managed to develop an EPO with the same isoforms as the naturally-occurring hormone. Apparently this EPO is made in China."
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The president of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), John Fahey, has claimed that athletes using banned substances such as human growth hormone (HGH) are “getting away with it” due to insufficient use of blood testing. He singled out cycling as a sport that was taking serious measures to catch dopers due to the extent of testing taking place, although the inference to be drawn is that some other sports lag well behind.
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Great thread! It's baffling that a coach could possibly claim to know that a single athlete wasn't doping, let alone a large contingent of athletes spread across a country and the world.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
TLW wrote:Once again Junk Master is spot on regarding the 'grey' area of doping that is going on within our sport.
Low dose Sarms, thyroid medications and other research chemicals are being given to athletes. It's even more obvious now with the breakthroughs we've seen in the sprints and marathon.
I think a lot of people just make it up as they go along. So let me understand this:
the sprints and the marathon are having breakthroughs because of advanced doping techniques, yet the middle distances are stagnant (as so many here seem to like to point out) because of increased and more comprehensive drug testing. You can't have it both ways.
If you want proof that this is a different era compared to previous ones as far as doping is concerned, look no further than the field event all-time lists.
Jeff there are a lot of idiots on this message board that like to sabotage interesting threads. I see a very cynical, negative friend of mine in a lot of these posters.
I feel sorry for him because he's my friend and he's getting old and he's alone and lonely. His negative, know it all attitude all his life contributed.
I am very thankful for letsrun for letting me read Canova's (and other's) training philosophies. They have contributed to my own athletes improvement- and NONE of them use peds.
You're absolutely right about whee the money is. And while I am definitely NOT making accusations, I have to say that the relatively big money a marathoner can win makes it seem more likely, not less, that the performances have been aided.