In response to the Ivy post, how does everyone see the NESCAC schools ranked (academically, of course)?
In response to the Ivy post, how does everyone see the NESCAC schools ranked (academically, of course)?
1. Williams
everyone else.
duh.
Williams
Amherst
Middlebury
Tufts
Conn
Bowdoin
Bates
Wesleyan
Colby
Hamilton
Trinity
I would say...
1. Williams/Amherst
2. Midd
3. Bowdoin
4. Wesleyan/Hamilton
5. Bates/Colby
6. Trinity/Conn
I don't know how to compare Tufts to the other schools so I just didn't include them.
Stryker wrote:
Williams
Amherst
Middlebury
Tufts
Conn
Bowdoin
Bates
Wesleyan
Colby
Hamilton
Trinity
Someone went to Conn.
not keith drake wrote:
Stryker wrote:Williams
Amherst
Middlebury
Tufts
Conn
Bowdoin
Bates
Wesleyan
Colby
Hamilton
Trinity
Someone went to Conn.
or bates?
Williams/Amherst
Wesleyan/Bowdoin/Middlebury
Tufts
Hamilton/Colby
Bates
Trinity
Conn
Williams
Amherst
Wesleyan
Tufts
Middlebury
Bowdoin/Bates
Hamilton/Colby
Trinity/Conn
drinking:
Trinity
Amherst
Bowdoin
Bates
Wesleyan
Middlebury
Conn
Williams
Hamilton
Tufts
Colby
academics:
Williams
Amherst
Middlebury
Tufts
Wesleyan
Bowdoin
Bates
Conn
Hamilton
Colby
Trinity
NesCrack wrote:
Williams
Amherst
Wesleyan
Tufts
Middlebury
Bowdoin/Bates
Hamilton/Colby
Trinity/Conn
Ranking quoted above is clearly the WORST ranking posted so far... Wesleyan and Tufts over Middlebury and Bowdoin? Bowdoin tied with Bates? Please.
A real ranking
Tier 1
1. Williams
2. Amherst
Tier 2
3. Bowdoin
4. Middlebury
Tier 3
5. Tufts
6. Wesleyan
Tier 4
7. Bates
8. Colby
Tier 5
9. Trinity
10. Conn
11. Hamilton
Just to justify some choices that might not be particularly popular- Bowdoin and Middlebury are very close, but Midd's recent popularity is a bit fad-y and Bowdoin's sciences are much stronger. Bates is criminally underrated, I agree they have a $hit campus and a $hit town, probably also a more boring school socially than any of the others on this list, but as an academic institution they are excellant. Tufts over Wesleyan is a bit arbitrary but... Wesleyan is a weird place.
Has anyone here partied at all of these schools? I've been to 5. Including Bates and lets just say $hits cray everytime.
Tier 1 (not much debate here - super elite on par with Stanford, Penn, etc.):
Williams
Amherst
Tier 2 (top schools, not as elite as Willams/Amherst):
Middlebury
Tufts (an outlier due to size)
Bowdoin
Tier 3 (excellent schools too, easier to get into - Wesleyan might belong in Tier 2):
Bates
Wesleyan
Colby
Tier 4 (Solid, but not academically elite/difficult to get in to):
Hamilton
Conn
Trinity
Williams has a teddy bear wrote:
Tier 1 (not much debate here - super elite on par with Stanford, Penn, etc.):
Williams
Amherst
Tier 2 (top schools, not as elite as Willams/Amherst):
Middlebury
Tufts (an outlier due to size)
Bowdoin
Tier 3 (excellent schools too, easier to get into - Wesleyan might belong in Tier 2):
Bates
Wesleyan
Colby
Tier 4 (Solid, but not academically elite/difficult to get in to):
Hamilton
Conn
Trinity
I think these are decent rankings. I'm basing most of this off of reputation and where my HS counselor told me I would get in easily vs a longer shot. I think Williams/Amherst are in a league of their own and then Tufts/Bowdoin/Midd/maybe Wes. Tufts has a lot of idiots, but they're also the one on the list with a competitive engineering school (which, full disclosure, I'm part of) so I think that keeps them solidly to tier 2.
OnPoint wrote:
Williams has a teddy bear wrote:Tier 1 (not much debate here - super elite on par with Stanford, Penn, etc.):
Williams
Amherst
Tier 2 (top schools, not as elite as Willams/Amherst):
Middlebury
Tufts (an outlier due to size)
Bowdoin
Tier 3 (excellent schools too, easier to get into - Wesleyan might belong in Tier 2):
Bates
Wesleyan
Colby
Tier 4 (Solid, but not academically elite/difficult to get in to):
Hamilton
Conn
Trinity
I think these are decent rankings. I'm basing most of this off of reputation and where my HS counselor told me I would get in easily vs a longer shot. I think Williams/Amherst are in a league of their own and then Tufts/Bowdoin/Midd/maybe Wes. Tufts has a lot of idiots, but they're also the one on the list with a competitive engineering school (which, full disclosure, I'm part of) so I think that keeps them solidly to tier 2.
Mostly agree with OnPoint's assesment with the addition that Tufts probably doesn't deserve to be with Midd/Bowdoin/Wesleyan. Tufts is in an awkward situation because it is also better than Bates and Colby. Also why does everyone rank Williams ahead of Amherst? Amherst is harder to get into and has a lower proportion of athletes.
clearly bowdoin over midd. bowdoin has higher endowment despite smaller student body, more clearly strong programs with gov, bio, chem, neuro vs only english, foreign languages, less grade inflation, higher grad placement according to wsj, and is slightly more competitive to get into. trinity and conn are the worst of them just preppy party schools. hamilton is ok if you don't care about science.
The Williams that I went to was second only to Dartmouth in alcoholics graduated, so I will not accept the notion that Williams is second tier in drinking. In athletics, Williams is dominant as well. As for academics, there's not a dime's worth of difference between all these schools. Essentially the same professors from the same graduate schools with the same publications in the same journals, the same quality students, and the same facilities. You can magnify whatever slight differences in test scores and grades and endowments that there are but none of these things measure academic quality precisely enough to overcome these tiny differences. If you do want to fetishize them, then it's Williams #1 every year.
All the Williams people I knew are pretentious alcoholics.
I don't think they were pretending.
1998 Nescac Beer Mile results:
Here's the best ranking based on SAT, top 10% of class, selectivity, endowment, and freshmen retention. Happens to correspond with US News and World Report rankings. The pairs are basically indistinguishable:
Amherst & Williams
Bowdoin & Middlebury
Wesleyan & Hamilton
Bates & Colby
Trinity & Connecticut College
I don't include Tufts because it's a different animal than the rest. My order of campus preference:
Bowdoin
Hamilton
Middlebury
Amherst
Colby
Bates
Williams
Conn Coll
Trinity (campus great, neighborhood terrible)
Wesleyan