What are the REAL/UNDOPED World Records?

800 - 1:41.01.............Rudisha

1000m - 2:11.96........Ngeny

1500m - 3:28.12........Ngeny

Mile - 3:43.40............Ngeny

2000m - 4:48.69........Niyongabo

3000m - 7:20.67........Komen

2 Miles - 7:58.61.......Komen

5000m - 12:39.74......Komen

10,000m - ?...............Hard to say, sure as hell isn't Bekele, Geb, or Tergat though, maybe Wanjiru, but I don't know enough about those kenyans that ran 26:30.xx

speaker of truth wrote:

800 - 1:41.01.............Rudisha

1000m - 2:11.96........Ngeny

1500m - 3:28.12........Ngeny

Mile - 3:43.40............Ngeny

2000m - 4:48.69........Niyongabo

3000m - 7:20.67........Komen

2 Miles - 7:58.61.......Komen

5000m - 12:39.74......Komen

10,000m - ?...............Hard to say, sure as hell isn't Bekele, Geb, or Tergat though, maybe Wanjiru, but I don't know enough about those kenyans that ran 26:30.xx

See, we have a perfect example of why this is a total waste of a thread (much less so trite). This poster feels Komen wasn't a doper. If he's naive enough to believe such, I'll have to let all the other present WR holders keep their glory.

Ngeny and Komen weren't doped?! LOL!

I don't want to speculate about which PEOPLE where actually clean, but let's get some times down... I'd say the clean world record for the 100 meters is probably around 9.85.

For some reason I had it in my mind that Komen was busted at one point.. upon further investigation, I found this article. Guess I was wrong. Interesting read on caffeine levels, though.

http://bit.ly/IJb4Jt

[quote]speaker of truth wrote:

800 - 1:41.01.............Rudisha

1000m - 2:11.96........Ngeny

1500m - 3:28.12........Ngeny

Mile - 3:43.40............Ngeny

2000m - 4:48.69........Niyongabo

3000m - 7:20.67........Komen

2 Miles - 7:58.61.......Komen

5000m - 12:39.74......Komen

10,000m - ?...............Hard to say, sure as hell isn't Bekele, Geb, or Tergat though, maybe Wanjiru, but I don't know enough about those kenyans that

ran 26:30.xx[/quote

Ngeny is the most likely of all the athletes from the 90's to have doped. There are many stories about what he was up to in the Sydney olympics, and then the mysterious car accident that affected him.so badly he was only able to run 3.32 afterwards!

Komen also an almost certain doper.

speaker of truth wrote:

time equality wrote:

See, we have a perfect example of why this is a total waste of a thread (much less so trite). This poster feels Komen wasn't a doper. If he's naive enough to believe such, I'll have to let all the other present WR holders keep their glory.

Idiot, offer something or f*ck off

I offered two points:

1. You're delusional

2. The thread is trite and a waste

3:29.02 Daniel K. Komen

time equality wrote:

speaker of truth wrote:

Idiot, offer something or f*ck off

I offered two points:

1. You're delusional

2. The thread is trite and a waste

And with his colorful language, " Idiot, offer something or f*ck off" , speaker of the truth is clearly Ventolin in disguise! As a kenyan he's strangely suggested that all ethiopians and moroccans from the late 90's early 00's were dopers, but all his fellow brothers from Kenya were innocent natural talents way above such practice. LOL!

I reckon when we've finished discussing this we could make a change and discuss 'What are the REAL/UNDOPED World Records'.

Think that'll be something new.

800 - 1:41.01 Rudisha

1000 - who cares?

1500 - 3:29.18: Niyongabo

Mile - 3:46.32 Cram

2000 - who cares?

3000 - 7:27.18 Kiptanui?

5000 - 12:48.66 Songok

10000 - 26:41.75 Wanjiru

I hate to call Tergat, Bekele, and Geb dopers, but they probably are.

Sad to think about! wrote:

800 - 1:41.01 Rudisha

1000 - who cares?

1500 - 3:29.18: Niyongabo

Mile - 3:46.32 Cram

2000 - who cares?

3000 - 7:27.18 Kiptanui?

5000 - 12:48.66 Songok

10000 - 26:41.75 Wanjiru

I hate to call Tergat, Bekele, and Geb dopers, but they probably are.

But a drunken, bigomist is above it all?

red arrow wrote:There are many stories about what he was up to in the Sydney olympics

then expand

i'd like to hear them

and then the mysterious car accident that affected him

moron

prove he wasn't in a car accident

if that is his report, you have evidence to say he was lying ???

so badly he was only able to run 3.32 afterwards!

idiot

i have posted his retirement article from iaaf before

he said the accident left him with long term hip pain

he said coud never do any proper speedwork afterwards

every time he tried he had significant hip pain

to run 3'32 off only endurance work is truely an incredible achievement

Komen also an almost certain doper

just as likely as some wr breakers from the 70's/'80s who liked to train in isolated european locations

you clearly are an idiot

he split 1'44.6 en-route to his 1k wr

anyone with a clue woud "know" that his 800 ability that day was helluva lot faster than 1'44

it was possibly high-1'41 that day

that is the only way you can go thru in high-49 & still hold on for a 2'11.9

that is load of bullshit

anyone who believes iaaf lets people off +ve tests is an idiot

you clearly have no clue about an athlete easing off after winning the big gold

he still went 1'44.8/3'31.9 in '01 which is pretty damn good for a "low key" season

eh ?

he didn't run stipulated races that the selectors wanted & kenyan selectors show no mercy

idiot

you don't need to go to an '80s era coach to get drugs

you can get them anywhere

& what exactly were these dealings ???

offer something concrete

& moron, he also managed sonia o'sullivan & steve ovett & peter elliott in his time

they dirty too ???

Except for Wanjiru... this is a pretty damn good list.

I used to be wary of the distance records... But seeing white dudes like rupp run 26:48 for 10k I'm not so sure. I mean (considering he is clean) think about it if rupp who was raised in a western lifestyle at sea level can run that fast without drugs I'm not as suspicious anymore, so an east African 10th generation born at altitude growing up running to school and around all day with a smaller body mass and perfect mechanics.... Can't run faster? ESP with the pressure from competing against other dominate athletes in your own country and the sport is incredibly popular... Like football here. I don't think rupp is super talented, he has just had the luxury of having a great coach sculpt him into a great runner over the last 10 years??? With diligence and patience... They are always filling in the gaps, working on his weaknesses etc... I think rupp serves as proof for what is possible... Progression is key, eventually he will set the world record... Though he will probably have a set back before then so it's unlikely.

The answers will eventually devolve into "my PRs...everybody faster than me was doping".

100m: 9.98 (Kim Collins)

200m: 19.66 (Frankie Fredericks)

jsquire wrote:

The answers will eventually devolve into "my PRs...everybody faster than me was doping".

But you forgot part two... "and everyone slower than me is a jogger".

Really, Bro? wrote:

It is very clear that the majority of letsrunners believe that many of the current world records are doped or dirty. In your mind what do you believe the world records would be/ who would have them, if we took out all doped performances?

100/200

400

800

1500/Mile

3k steeple

5000

10000

Marathon

or any other events you want to add.

100m- 9.58 - Bolt

200m - 19.19 - Bolt

400m - 43.18 - Johnson

800m - 1:41.01 - Rudisha

1000m - 2:12.18 - Coe

1500m - 3:29.27 - Kiplagat (possibly Morceli's 3:28.86 from 92, but not his 3:27 WR)

Mile- 3:46.32 - Cram (again, possibly Morceli's 3:44.39 from 93, though I think that was the year when EPO really started to flood the athletic world)

2000m - 4:50.76 - Mottram (although several of those above him could undoubtedly have run faster if they hadn't used drugs).

3000m - 7:27.18 - Kiptanui

3000m SC - 7:53.63 - Saif Saeed Shaheen

5000m - 12:48.66 - Issac Songok

10000m - 26:35.63 - Micah Kogo

Marathon - 2:03:38 - Patrick Makau

110H - 12.87 - Robles

400H - 46.78 - Young