Penn 4xmile

The lack of athletic scholarships might be a benefit for the Ivies. A larger group of kids come in as every athlete is getting a Columbia/Princeton education, obviously an incentive, and might be getting it cheap w financial aid, as opposed to the 10 or 12 schol guys on BCS programs. Both teams are incredibly deep, which doesn't hurt for these relays. Don't think Oregon could compete with the number of (healthy) milers on either team right now (Mac Fleet?). Both teams have top notch coaches. And now Princeton has two wheels.

excattyguy wrote:

Princeton wins, Columbia second, Indiana third, and Oregon a distant fourth. How do two non-scholarship programs soundly beat Oregon with all the advantages that program has?

This is correct. The new Ivy Aid system allows a lot of students to get full aid in grants, basically unless you can really afford it, you'll get it. So in theory, every distance runner on an Ivy team could be one the equivalent of full scholarship, while at Oregon those 12.5 scholarships have be split across the entire track team. Since the new Ivy Aid system has gone into place, you have really seen the Ivies come on, in part because of the depth they can accumulate.

eyevee wrote:

The lack of athletic scholarships might be a benefit for the Ivies. A larger group of kids come in as every athlete is getting a Columbia/Princeton education, obviously an incentive, and might be getting it cheap w financial aid, as opposed to the 10 or 12 schol guys on BCS programs. Both teams are incredibly deep, which doesn't hurt for these relays. Don't think Oregon could compete with the number of (healthy) milers on either team right now (Mac Fleet?). Both teams have top notch coaches. And now Princeton has two wheels.

excattyguy wrote:

Princeton wins, Columbia second, Indiana third, and Oregon a distant fourth. How do two non-scholarship programs soundly beat Oregon with all the advantages that program has?

eyevee wrote:

And now Princeton has two MORE wheels.

fixed

lets review who is NOT running for Oregon who they might have expected to contribute to this year's 4 X 1:

M Centrowitz, L Verbicas, M Fleet, E Gedyon

I take that group over any combination of ivy all stars

UVA doesn't even show up to penn. I guess they didn't want to be compared to the UVA teams that have done well for the past 8 years under Dunn and Vig.

The sad part: they are STACKED with middle distance talent even without Andrews. If Dunn or Vig were there that talent would be competing in the distance relays very well, probably taking a wheel home in the d-med.

Princeton won without Peter Callahan

mary cullinan wrote:

lets review who is NOT running for Oregon who they might have expected to contribute to this year's 4 X 1:

M Centrowitz, L Verbicas, M Fleet, E Gedyon

I take that group over any combination of ivy all stars

What matters is who actually shows up to run, not who should of, would of, could of run.

That's the point. Ivy League schools have a deeper pool of athletes thanks to their financial aid policies over traditional athletic scholarships, so when the inevitable injury does occur they'll still have some able bodies. Oregon is top heavy with studs, but Columbia and Princeton have half milers and milers stumbling over one another.

mary cullinan wrote:

lets review who is NOT running for Oregon who they might have expected to contribute to this year's 4 X 1:

M Centrowitz, L Verbicas, M Fleet, E Gedyon

I take that group over any combination of ivy all stars

do you remember when warhurst and the michigan crew or vig and his texas guys used to crush this meet?

Since you apparently forgot your own question:

"Princeton wins, Columbia second, Indiana third, and Oregon a distant fourth. How do two non-scholarship programs soundly beat Oregon with all the advantages that program has?"

The answer was because Centrowitz, Fleet, Verzbicas and Gedyon were all unavailable

Write back when you forget and I will remind you again, assuming you can remember the question.

When Ivy League schools start doing well, all the obvious disadvantages become advantages?

Centrowitz, Fleet, Verzbicas and Gedyon were unavailble?

So for Princeton Mark Amirault (4:00) and Peter Callahan (3:58) were "UNAVAILABLE"

Amirault has to use 5th year elegible elsewhere due to ivy rules

Callahan hurt

Centrowitz, Fleet, Verzbicas and Gedyon WOULD LOSE!!!!!!!! to a Amirault, Callahan, Stilin, Cabral team

SO SHUT UP WITH OREGON LOST BECUASE THEY DONT HAVE GUYS!

Oregon ran two freshmen and a sophomore. One of the frosh (Alexander) didn't even run indoor cus of an injury, hasn't been back that long and yet he ran 4:05. The other frosh (Noelle) handed off with the lead on the leadoff leg. The soph, Trevor Dunbar ran 4:00.

With the return of Fleet and the improvement of the other three in a years time you'll have at least a couple sub 4's and two more at 4:02 or better. That's pretty solid in anyones book.

Oregon got bitch slapped this weekend

Oregon fans. Take the loss and shut up. You finish a distant fourth and then yap about how good you are? Be a humble loser for once.

Penn State delivers with a win in the SMR and 4x800 (which is anchored by a freshman), narrowly missing a third wheel with a silver in the 4x400.

Maybe Oregon should try Drake!!!

Great Penn State smack. All you need to do to be a Penn State fan at championship events is show up at the heats on Friday. You know they won't be running on Saturday in the finals.

Oh wait Creese made the indoor finals in the mile because he was so far behind in his heat that when the real runners got tangled and fell, he was able to avoid the pile and finish the race.

He was so impressed by that tactic that he tried it again on Saturday. Boise police had to called to investigate a missing person on that one.

Penn State: wonderful in January and April. MIA in March and June.

How many Colligiate records, sub 4 minute miles and Penn Relays watches did you set and win in your freshman year, Casper?

Stilin, Van Ackeron and Merber will all be teammates next year at texas.