Penn DMR

it was the slowest race in at least a decade.

Congratulations Princeton!

Slowest race since 1973. 4:06 anchors won it for the leaders.

The leaders on the anchor leg went out quite slow and allowed almost all the other teams back in it. The last 800 meters were sub 2:00 (1:57ish for Cabral) and were really fun to watch.

DMRs are like that sometimes.

They're rarely this slow at Penn. Last year was slow, but it was still a full six seconds faster.

Princeton 9:42.45

Indiana 9:42.68

Binghamton 9:43.08

Oregon 9:43.11

Columbia

Villanova

Texas

Oklahoma

I miss the days of Willis Brannen and Ellerton.

Cabral closer to 1:53 or so for last 800. Last 400 was 53

Oregon wastes by far their biggest weapon with Greer going 2:59.2 barely edging guys that have never gone 1:49 OR 4:04 for the mile, not one.

The whle race changed from there, Princeton jumps the field and Cabral lets everyone in, and dusts all sub 4:00 or sub milers.

Really a shameful plan for many.

Bayer a 3:53.xx Indoor anchor, lets this go that late.

Oregon gets: 2:59.2 from a 1:45/3:45 guy, then they run Hornsby who has run 1:49.x scratch on the 400 at 47.8 , Guyota at 1:49.4? Who has run 46.0

You tell me what that plan was against 5 guys that have run 3:56 1600 anchors or better.

Bayer: 3:53

Van Ingen: 3:55.x

McEnentee who they beat 3:56.x

Merber: 3:57

bayer 3:53

Dunbar 4:00.x for the mile once

is there a video anywhere?

DMR times are all about the 1200 leg and taking it out in 1:56 not 2:02!

Not exactly true

Even after 2:00 some guys can get clear separation

Brannen surely could

Belger surely could have, back in the day

All Oregon did today was waste their biggest asset, and that is some bad running or coaching, take your pick they let their biggest asset on the DMR not even finish first to a bunch of 1:51 and 4:04 guys

The problem with big kickers is they get beat by other big kickers.

I'm not sure that Greer could have done anything with leg 1 that would have made a difference all the way to leg 4.

The conditions were windy and cold; all the expected anchors with superior 1600's were right together and couldn't get it done either.

trialswatcher wrote:

Oregon wastes by far their biggest weapon with Greer going 2:59.2 barely edging guys that have never gone 1:49 OR 4:04 for the mile, not one.

Greer did separate from all the 1:49/4:04 guys. He just didn't win the leg because Princeton had a sub-4 guy on their leadoff.

malmo wrote:

The problem with big kickers is they get beat by other big kickers.

Cite your source.

That's a pretty confident move by Cabral - slowing it down knowing he'd have the best last 400m. I have to wonder what his shape is for the Steeple and 1500 now.

The people commenting on this race either a) clearly don't know running or b) weren't at Penn or c) both.It was very windy. The way the legs played out there were 3-4 teams getting it together on the anchor. The fact of the matter is none of those guys are good enough to push the pace in 20-25mph winds and still win. So the last leg was bound to be a jog fest.You want Bayer to push the pace and rabbit out Merber and Cabral for 1200 and then get blown away?But the race also is the perfect example of why I often hate the DMR. A 4 x 800 is much more interesting to me. A DMR is often normally "Who has the best anchor?"Because if more than a couple of teams get it together, the anchors often jog it.

Azaleas wrote:

That's a pretty confident move by Cabral - slowing it down knowing he'd have the best last 400m. I have to wonder what his shape is for the Steeple and 1500 now.

That to me is the story of this race.

A 10k/Steeple guy outkicked some of the best collegiate milers in the land. Admittedly, the mile is a bit down this year as compared to recent years with Centro, Wheating, etc. but Cabral was sensational.

People are ripping Bayer for not pushing it? Well these are the same people that would be ripping Cabral for not pushing it as he's more of a 10k guy. "How can he let him come down to a kick?" Well he showed you how.

Last week, when Cabral killed a bunch of the top East coast guys in the 1,500 at Princeton, I told everyone I knew, "He looked incredible. I know he's not a 1,500 guy but Princeton should 100% anchor him. He looked like a kid playing a video game who hit turbo with 50 meters to go."

I think he has an excellent shot at the Olympics in the steeple. His close is incredible. All he needs is the A standard.

He's starting to remind me a bit of Andy Wheating two years ago. Trained through the early part of the season and took his lumps but was splendent when it mattered most.

I mean at indoor heps he was 3rd in the 3k.

Now that I've spent 10 minutes praising a rival teams runner, I guess i should issue a disclaimer. "Donn, no is a fine time to get sick and have a hiccup. We'll be happy to have you get third at Heps next week. 3rd is good - remember it makes the Olympics."

It also sort of reminds me of a slower version of Rupp a few years ago. All of the sudden it's like "Where did that kick come from?"

Endurance = speed when you get really fit.

Oregon men lay another egg in the 4xmile. Ouch.