There is no chance for Mosop to set the marathon wr on Sunday. Mosop has been overrated all along. Sure he is very good, but Canova promotes him at times as if he's the Second Coming. Mosop will be fortunate to break the course record of 2:04:27. IF it weren't for that tailwind in Boston, all this talk of Mosop setting world records would be laughed at by more than just the intelligent...
He does have that 30,000m WR at 1:26:47 (28:56 per 10K)
A 12:54 5,000 PR and a 26:49 10,000 PR
59:20 half marathon
And a course record at Chicago if you don't care for that Boston race
If I had that resume I would feel that I had a shot at being a pretty good marathoner.
But if you say he's overrated...
toro wrote:
He does have that 30,000m WR at 1:26:47 (28:56 per 10K)
A 12:54 5,000 PR and a 26:49 10,000 PR
59:20 half marathon
And a course record at Chicago if you don't care for that Boston race
If I had that resume I would feel that I had a shot at being a pretty good marathoner.
But if you say he's overrated...
I've already stated that Mosop is very good, but that Boston performance put strange notions in people's heads, and Canova is of course biased, perhaps understandably so. IF you have a wife, I am likely a better judge of her looks than you are, and I am likely a better judge (more objective) of Mosop's performances than Canova. Canova of course knows his training in a manner that I don't, but my comment pertains to his performances in competition. In saying this, I am not disparaging Canova, who may be the best marathon coach in the world, or at least I cannot prove that he isn't.
I too was very skeptical of the Boston times and no doubt they were wind aided.
Having said that Geoffrey Mutai followed it up with a 2:05 in New York. Mosop got the course record in Chicago while not 100%.
I don't think it's a stretch to say they are two of the best marathoners in the world and if that is the case a WR is a possibility.
If the weather forecast for winds hold then I would say NO chance for a world record. Otherwise it sounds like the only way he thinks he can make the Olympic team is with a World Record so I assume he'll go for it.
wejo wrote:
I too was very skeptical of the Boston times and no doubt they were wind aided.
Having said that Geoffrey Mutai followed it up with a 2:05 in New York. Mosop got the course record in Chicago while not 100%.
I don't think it's a stretch to say they are two of the best marathoners in the world and if that is the case a WR is a possibility.
If the weather forecast for winds hold then I would say NO chance for a world record. Otherwise it sounds like the only way he thinks he can make the Olympic team is with a World Record so I assume he'll go for it.
AK must be very skeptical regarding the Boston times also, as it seems a bit odd that Mosop, if he is that highly regarded, is forced into the position of needing to run a world record to make the Kenyan team. It is truly mind-boggling how tough it is to make their team...
stop capitalizing 'IF'. it didn't make sense the first time you did it and it didn't the second time either.
OKAY!!!
I wish people would just drop the Boston crap. Boston was always considered a tough course- there are uphills and the downhills often mess people up.
If the IAAF didn't come up with those stupid restrictions no one would even think about it.
Watch the "Dual in the Sun" video- they talk about the WR, didn't Joan Benoit set a WR there? No one questioned it and she went on to run fater.
Boston times are legit.
Now, the odds of ANYONE setting a WR are slim- everything, external and internal, has to be perfect. So, predicting that someone WON'T set a WR is easy and the odds are in your favor.
The only "strange notions" are those that question times at Boston.
There are simply too many quality marathoners to name a "best" marathoner. 20-30 years ago there were fewer and usually one 4-6 at the very top.
The real question is: Will running such a high stress, high quality marathon 4 months prior to the Olympics be too much for the 3 Kenyans who get through this to the games?
Mosop has no chance but I Ryan Hall have been commissioned by god to bandit this race and smash the world record. May chariots lead me in.
runn wrote:
I wish people would just drop the Boston crap. Boston was always considered a tough course- there are uphills and the downhills often mess people up.
If the IAAF didn't come up with those stupid restrictions no one would even think about it.
Watch the "Dual in the Sun" video- they talk about the WR, didn't Joan Benoit set a WR there? No one questioned it and she went on to run fater.
Boston times are legit.
Now, the odds of ANYONE setting a WR are slim- everything, external and internal, has to be perfect. So, predicting that someone WON'T set a WR is easy and the odds are in your favor.
The only "strange notions" are those that question times at Boston.
The above is a perfect illustration of what is wrong with our educational system...most people don't know how to think.
God damn you are dumb. Here is your homework assignment - think of reasons why those pesky restrictions are in place.
Mosop was an excellent cross country runner before he moved up to the marathon .I assume that gives him an advantage to battle aganist the winds .Also he is much bigger than your average kenyan elite runner i suspect he probably weighs as much if not more than Robert Cheruiyot.Anyway i believe if the stay on WR pace till 30K the recowrd will be broken.
shukhov wrote:
stop capitalizing 'IF'. it didn't make sense the first time you did it and it didn't the second time either.
OKAY!!!
I accidentally capitalize the "f" in "if" all the time. When you type the word "if" you tend to press both letters at nearly the same time when you're starting a sentence with it. This makes it very easy to accidentally capitalize both letters. Try it yourself if you don't believe me.
talking from behind wrote:
Mosop was an excellent cross country runner before he moved up to the marathon .I assume that gives him an advantage to battle aganist the winds .Also he is much bigger than your average kenyan elite runner i suspect he probably weighs as much if not more than Robert Cheruiyot.Anyway i believe if the stay on WR pace till 30K the recowrd will be broken.
Why would being an "excellent cross country runner" give Mosop "an advantage to battle against the winds?" Secondly, Mosop is not a big man at all. He is small and certainly not big compared to other Kenyan elites.
The OP is right. Mosop has no chance for setting any records on Sunday because the race is on Monday. Ha.
My mistake we the discussion about Rotterdam. Obviously I have Boston on my mind.
Cliff Clavin wrote:
I am likely a better judge (more objective) of Mosop's performances than Canova.
Let's get you back into bed shall we?
Ahshshshs wrote:
Cliff Clavin wrote:I am likely a better judge (more objective) of Mosop's performances than Canova.
Let's get you back into bed shall we?
I knew that the obtuse wouldn't be capable of grasping this concept...I always suspected that you wanted me in bed...speaking of performance...there won't be one...
Cliff Clavin wrote:
IF it weren't for that tailwind in Boston, all this talk of Mosop setting world records would be laughed at by more than just the intelligent...
Whoever the Chicago marathon course record holder is sure as hell is in consideration for a WR in the marathon. Get a clue moron.
Dennis Reynolds wrote:
Cliff Clavin wrote:IF it weren't for that tailwind in Boston, all this talk of Mosop setting world records would be laughed at by more than just the intelligent...
Whoever the Chicago marathon course record holder is sure as hell is in consideration for a WR in the marathon. Get a clue moron.
Your statement makes no sense...The course record at Chicago is 2:05:37, and this is not world record territory, but thanks for playing.
You fail to realize my point. If you have a course record at a major marathon (NYC, Chicago, Boston, London, Berlin) you are in the conversation for a WR. Good lord the guys record who he bested was Wanjiru, if he hadn't died that guy certainly been in the converstaion for a WR on a different course.