I haven't heard much from Clement in the last 2 years; what happened to the guy who looked primed to run sub-44 in the 400m dash and go after the 400m hurdle record? I remember when he was beating Batman and Taylor and I remember his 44.5 indoors from his college days, which is way faster than they ran at world indoors this year. This kid was super good.
I know he has not retired, but I have only seen his name in hand full of resluts the last couple of years. How about the X-man as well?
I'm very skeptical of all the 400m guys (all around the world too) from the last 5 years, including the 400m hurdles.
All the times in the 400 and 400hurdles have dropped off significanly since 2009. But this decline really started excluding Wariner and Merritt in 2008. I'm thinking that all of these guys were on something and now there's a test for it and their performances have declined with the new test.
We just need to be honest when it comes to the 400 and 400hurdles, these are very hard events to excel at, and anything natural under 44.5 or 47.8 is an incredible time that takes more work than most elite athletes can give.
It could also be a side effect of the drugs that were being used as they are more destructive to the body causing faster declines after peak usage.
The only exceptions to this is James, Bartholomew, and the Borlees. But if you notice they've plateaued in the mid 44's with the exception of James who may go a little faster under 44.
It's weird how no one can go sub-44 anymore but every Jamaican streetcorner harbors a 9.8-9.9 guy, and an occasional 19.3x
Oh, and one more thing... wrote:
It's weird how no one can go sub-44 anymore but every Jamaican streetcorner harbors a 9.8-9.9 guy, and an occasional 19.3x
That is interesting isn't it? You'd think some of those guys would move up to the 400. Nope.
not Sprintgeezer wrote:
I'm very skeptical of all the 400m guys (all around the world too) from the last 5 years, including the 400m hurdles.
All the times in the 400 and 400hurdles have dropped off significanly since 2009. But this decline really started excluding Wariner and Merritt in 2008. I'm thinking that all of these guys were on something and now there's a test for it and their performances have declined with the new test.
We just need to be honest when it comes to the 400 and 400hurdles, these are very hard events to excel at, and anything natural under 44.5 or 47.8 is an incredible time that takes more work than most elite athletes can give.
It could also be a side effect of the drugs that were being used as they are more destructive to the body causing faster declines after peak usage.
The only exceptions to this is James, Bartholomew, and the Borlees. But if you notice they've plateaued in the mid 44's with the exception of James who may go a little faster under 44.
Clement is a World Junior Champ, he ran 48.5 in the 400h at age 19, he was running 44x in 400m dash in the NCAA and ran 47x in the hurdles right out of college...why would he need to juice. And, btw, James will never run faster than a high 43. The reason for that is simple, there is a limit to how fast you can run the 400 when your best 200m is in the mid-20s.
James could go sub 20 easily.
this guy is definitely a ghey boy
Sweet pics, bro.
phartastic wrote:
this guy is definitely a ghey boy
Unless one of us is thinking of asking him out on a date, I'm not sure what his preference for boys or girls has to do with anything; I and discussing his running and trying to find out what he is up.
Too many doubles, calaloo and curried goat
not Sprintgeezer wrote:
I'm very skeptical of all the 400m guys (all around the world too) from the last 5 years, including the 400m hurdles.
All the times in the 400 and 400hurdles have dropped off significanly since 2009. But this decline really started excluding Wariner and Merritt in 2008. I'm thinking that all of these guys were on something and now there's a test for it and their performances have declined with the new test.
We just need to be honest when it comes to the 400 and 400hurdles, these are very hard events to excel at, and anything natural under 44.5 or 47.8 is an incredible time that takes more work than most elite athletes can give.
It could also be a side effect of the drugs that were being used as they are more destructive to the body causing faster declines after peak usage.
The only exceptions to this is James, Bartholomew, and the Borlees. But if you notice they've plateaued in the mid 44's with the exception of James who may go a little faster under 44.
You should not be skeptical. Wariner and Merritt are two of the best to come around, ever. Wariner has been at the highest level for a decade. 10 years of sub 46 runs, no serious injuries. 8 years sub 45. Some folks get older and cant run fast anymore. Maybe he will again. Only he knows.
Merritt just a two years off? He came back and ran 44.35 last year. He has been talented since the junior levels. He will do it again.
Don't include the young 400 runners yet. Although talented and young they have not broken through but they will. Most of these guys are either 1 year removed from college or still in college. Try running a collegiate season of indoor, outdoor, and rounds in a world championship and clock a huge time. Its damn hard. Wariner did it because he was super talented.
The hurdlers you speak of are all getting older. Clement, Jackson, Sanchez and Taylor are not young but they still have it.
The young hurdlers Dutch, Anderson, Wyatt, Van Zyl, Gordon, Fredericks will get there but you cant do it over night, or over one season. It takes time.
TrackCoach wrote:]
Clement is a World Junior Champ, he ran 48.5 in the 400h at age 19, he was running 44x in 400m dash in the NCAA and ran 47x in the hurdles right out of college...why would he need to juice.
Are you being funny? I'm not saying one thing or another about Clement, but the fact is running fast in college or HS has nothing to do with whether you do drugs after...but more to do with whether you were doing drugs during.
I think it's sad that people think HS elites and collegiates are all innocent and only pros cheat.