Charles Jock 3:53.44

Also here is another little observation that I've noticed....the past 10 years, It appears that most of the athletes have never made another team. Except Jonathon Johnson who won the Olympic trials in '04 and Derrick Peterson with two 3rd place finishes.

2012-TBD

2011 3rd place Charles Jock

2010-*Jacob hernandez

2009- Ryan brown

2008-Christian smith

2007-Duane Solomon

2006-*Jebreh Harris

2005-Kevin Hicks

2004-Derrick Peterson

2003-Jonathon Johnson

2002-Derrick Peterson

"I cannot believe this is even being talked about...clearly Coach D is charles jock best friend, nobody is impressed by this."

I am impressed by this, from a guy who is NOT a 1500m runner. And I don't know Charles Jock.

Like somebody else said, since he won by a second, maybe he could have gone even faster.

All these High School kids don't understand anything about the sport, that time is perfect for a guys that is more of a sprinters than a long distance guy. There are different type of 800m guys. For example, WR Rudisha won't run a very fast 1500m because he is more of a sprinter type of runner, get a brain morans!!! just to put it nice and simple not every badass runner will fulfilled your stupid fantasies!

Holy hell guys, he won the race. Do you really expect a 400/800 runner to run away from the field early just to get a good 1500 time?

how anyone can say that this IS or ISN'T a predictor for a 1:43 is beyond me. all it IS is a slow 1500. if usain bolt ran a 3:53 1500 it would still be a slow 1500, and it certainly wouldn't indicate what he could do in the 100, 200, or even the 400.

jock is clearly a stud--there is no debating that. but even if he ran a 3:43 (which is close to what johnny gray ran at least once in 1990 in modesto where he was outkicked by doug padilla, yet he still managed a billion sub-1:44s), it wouldn't be the deciding factor that gets him sub-1:44...

I'm pretty sure if David Rudisha ran a 1500m race, that he would roll the eff out!

VIPAM wrote:

The time is impressive unless he is a 800m runner considering he a pure 800m runner and not a 800m/1500m runner. The 800m is slightly more speed then endurance; therefore, there are two different type 800m runners. One who trains slightly more like a 400m runner and those that come slightly from the 1500m type training. Charles Jock speed and front running is a evidence that early in his career he is more of a speed runner who is working on his endurance.

The fact that he won by over a second may prove that he was within himself and could have run faster had needed to then 3:53.

I am not trying to be mean, but when I read your post, I recognized why your threads irritate the hell out of me. You are really incapable of stringing together sentences which make sense. I cannot even read your above post without thinking, what the hell was that?

I think he would crack the top 100 at Footlocker since there are only 40 runners in the race.

Indoor 600 meter world record holder Nico Motchebon was only a 3:52.45/46.83 guy. Maybe Jock should jump in a 600.

I know it doesn't hold as much clout as specifically citing it, but I was at the meet where he split 44.x, and multiple timers had him under 45. He got the baton in 3-4th and ran the entire field down, it was damn impressive.

He was just going for the win. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5f-33gje0I

What happens to all these great New Jersey prep runners?

Not a bad result, ran on the outside pretty much the whole race and he looked like he didn't know what to do most of time. He is clearly not a miler, he looked liked a 4/8 guy doing a mile training run. I suspect he could have run a second or 2 faster in a different race and most importantly he did what he had to do to win. (You can never knock an athlete doing an event they don't normally do and they win the race.) I use to train with a group of pro 800m runners and we had one guy who was a 46x/1:45x 800m runner and he would take a walk break on a 5 mile 7mpm training run...some people are built for speed.

Btw, If I was Jock and/or his coach, I would not change anything about the way he run his 800s, becasue the 800 is a very difficult race to run in a pack; your chances are better running from the front or the back. Letsrun is mostly LDR types and always comment about 800m athletes who lay off the pace or go out too fast, guys who are 800m runners know that there is a very ligetimate reasons for doing this. In the years to come, Jock will get stronger and be able to go out in 50 point and come back in 52, which is a better appraoch than trying to go out in 52.

When you are averaging 52 seconds in an 800m, you are basically sprinting, which means your body is in the air more than in contact with ground. Getting bumped, boxed in, having to chop your stride, being in the wrong position are things that by the time you recover from, the race is over. There was a proposal back in the mid-80s to run the frist lap in lanes. You hear elite athletes all the time say they caught in the wrong position. It is a fact that every athlete that makes it to a WC or Olympic 800m final has a shot at a medal...it's really not about who is the best, its who can execute the perfect race on that day. Obviously if you are a David Ruhdisha, you can make some small mistakes. All of the sub-1:42 races were choreographed to get a fast time, Coe, Cruz, Ruhdisha and Kepititer ran right behind the rabbits, got out in 49/50 and had a clear path to the finish line.

ice.cream scooper wrote:

That time is piss poor for a runner of his caliber.

...He did it in trainers

All each and every one of you haters needs to know about Jock is that he holds UC Irvine's school record for the 800 meters @ 1:45.6. Former 30+ year record holder was none other than Steve Scott. Jock is silly fast (could've been a very successful 400 meter runner) and works harder than anyone on the track. He also has guts - pushes the pace from meter 1. The fact that he is running 1500s for strength is solid. He is training to his weaknesses as each and every one of us should. Makes me proud to be a San Diegan (Jock - Mission Bay High) and Anteater alum. ZOT!

has been who never was wrote:

All each and every one of you haters needs to know about Jock is that he holds UC Irvine's school record for the 800 meters @ 1:45.6. Former 30+ year record holder was none other than Steve Scott. Jock is silly fast (could've been a very successful 400 meter runner) and works harder than anyone on the track. He also has guts - pushes the pace from meter 1. The fact that he is running 1500s for strength is solid. He is training to his weaknesses as each and every one of us should. Makes me proud to be a San Diegan (Jock - Mission Bay High) and Anteater alum. ZOT!

This is just riddled with factual inaccuracies, I feel embarrassed for you.

He's not an 8/15 guy, he's a 400/800 guy and it's a 4-second improvement on last year. So it's definitely a good result. What was Alberto Juantorena's 1500 PR? Did he ever even run one?

I definitely thought you meant a mile until I read the result.

Jock's a stud and contra the sub 4 miler Cush, who should know better, if you improve significantly at 1500m, while retaining your 400m speed, you will most likely drop your 800m pr significantly. It's not about the predictor in the 1500m; it's about the fact that he now has more endurance and if he has retained the speed, we'll see that 1:43 this year. My only question is when will we see 1:42 from him?