How much money should a sub 9 two miler get at like a good college program, say like a Oklahoma, Indiania, Villanova, or like a Notre Dame type caliber school? (i understand that these schools are not all just as good as the next but I think they are close enough to generalize).
At like a good program, probably 100%.
At actually a good program, probably 50-75%.
at most of those schools a sub 9 two miler would probably get around 50%. Most coaches go about giving money to who can score at conference, and a sub 9 two miler could probably score some points in a 5k or even steeple
millions and millions
how about a sub 8:50 guy?
Running sub 9 minutes in high school is great but, alot of the time money can also vary based on if the athlete can win races. If he's running sub 9 but not able to win races is one thing. People want winners, if you win i gaurentee your sub 9 performance looks alot better to coachs and you in turn would receive more money. Having said that, Sub 9 would get you about %50 at a top div 1 school and maybe %100 at a D.2 and lower school. you may pull off %100 at a D. 1 school if it isnt a top teir running school.
TWX wrote:
How much money should a sub 9 two miler get at like a good college program, say like a Oklahoma, Indiana, Villanova, or like a Notre Dame type caliber school? (i understand that these schools are not all just as good as the next but I think they are close enough to generalize).
Should be able to get 100% or awfully close to it at a good DI school. Every school would love to have him, most won't be able to offer him 100%, but there will be some that can. Some will have more spots to fill or more money available, he will fit somebody's strategy very well, and some schools will like his "intangibles" more than others. If paying nothing is very important, the athlete will be able to find a very solid program that will offer it to him.
If he can get purely academic money and they don't have to use up the full 1.0 on him, then it makes a full ride much more likely.
I'd say it should be close to 100%. The list of sub 9 two milers in HS is not long and there are hundreds of universities. Many colleges would love to get ahold of one coming out of school. But it would depend on what money is available. It might end up being a package that covers 100%, academics, Federal, athletic.
Now a top tier program could get away with offering 50%, they have horses in the stable. The rest would be stupid to offer 50% to one of the best in the nation.
The last two sub 9 guys at ND got about 3/4 scholarship.
TWX wrote:
how about a sub 8:50 guy?
We have a winner. There is a big difference between a sub 850 and sub 9 and a big difference between 9 and 910. Now sometimes the difference gets obscured by racing conditions but in terms of talent level, it's vast.
Running is a big bell curve.
I don't think people realize how many sub-9s there are out there. Last year, there were 20 sub 9 seniors listed on dyestat plus some more equivalents in the 3k so roughly 25.
But if you go out to say 9:05 range it doubles (43 sub 906s). If you go to 915 there are more than 100 seniors.
A sub 9 guy is good but what did he do as a junior. The person talking about winning races is correct. Also what they do as a junior is key as the scholarships go out before senior year track season.
In terms of say sub 415 or 915 juniors, there are a ton. In terms of guy that are top 25 in the region at Footlocker or sub 415/915 as a junior, there were roughly 150 guys. That's a lot.
Male or female?[quote]TWX wrote:
150 4:15/9:15 hs juniors? Do you have a list of them somewhere?
Seems a bit high. I agree with the number of sub 9 guys but the others seem high. Still well below the total number of DI and DII schools looking for runners.
What I hate is universities saying we'll give you money if you run x:xx and you look on the roster and no one on the team runs those times. I guess they're sitting on those scholarships?
Tony Smoragiwiecz (sp?) went 857 at Arcadia for the 3200m junior year.. out of Rapid City, SD.
supply and demand. 25 years ago a sub 9:00 guy would get a full ride at 98 percent of D1 schools that recruited him. Their were only 3-5 of them out there that ran that for a given year.
A kid that runs 9:05 and then went to a big outdoor national meet and ran 8:54 and placed 5th these days probably gets very few offers over 50 percent.
This is not true. in 2012, 50 HS juniors ran under 9:15.
rojo rabbit wrote:
150 4:15/9:15 hs juniors? Do you have a list of them somewhere?
Looking for answers wrote:
This is not true. in 2012, 50 HS juniors ran under 9:15.
rojo rabbit wrote:150 4:15/9:15 hs juniors? Do you have a list of them somewhere?
I don't have numbers to back up rojo, but it's probably something you can pay for on mile split; but you realize things have gotten a lot faster at the HS level since 2012...it is hard to even compare.
College has not made the same jump; I just think HS athletes are running more and taking it more serious early on.
Sub 9:00 at a good power 5 will not get a full ride. Top 20 programs will have 7 to 10 guys under 8:25 for 3k with the first few under 8:10. At a top level DI school you are still recruiting a 8:59 guy and trying to evaluate potential. I feel most national championship regulars use academic aid with athletics to try to get to 75% for a 9:00 guy. Depends on situation. A 9:00 guy from a HS that has never had anyone under 9:30 might be worth a full.
I also agree that 8:50 is a different story. That is a freshmen who likely can make the top 5 XC squad for any team.
Aren't you the same kid who was asking if a 9:15 could get him a full ride to a Big 10 school? Why did you just resurrect a 5 year old thread?
For the 2017 track season:
1600
Juniors 4:14:99 or better 55; 4:15.99 or better 73 (Milesplit)
Juniors 4:14.99 or better 54; 4:15.99 or better 71 (athletic.net)
3200
Juniors 8:50 - 9:00 9; 8:50-9:15 70 (milesplit)
Juniors 8:50 -9:00 9; 8:50 - 9:15 71 (athletic.net)
The 55 at 4:14.99 or better come from 19 states:
OH: 8
IL and CA: 6
TX: 5
VA and PA: 4
NJ, IN, and WA: 3
MI, MD and UT: 2
MN, NC, FL, NY, CO, MO, and GA: 1