If I recall he uses Alan Webb as an example of not putting emphasis on long term aerobic development
If I recall he uses Alan Webb as an example of not putting emphasis on long term aerobic development
Either that or Noakes is correct on the 10 years life expectancy of high-level competition, page 348, Lore of Running.
noakesie wrote:
Either that or Noakes is correct on the 10 years life expectancy of high-level competition, page 348, Lore of Running.
So if you start running at age 16, you're done at 26? Doesn't make any sense
noakesie wrote:
Either that or Noakes is correct on the 10 years life expectancy of high-level competition, page 348, Lore of Running.
So if you start running at age 16, you're done at 26? Doesn't make any sense
Woooo hooooo woo wrote:
If I recall he uses Alan Webb as an example of not putting emphasis on long term aerobic development
That, of course, is absolute nonsense. Anyone who can run 10000m in 27,34 has an extremely well developed aerobic capacity. Kellogg is a man with a big mouth and a big ego. How many great runners has he produced? His mega mileage method made Wejo very good for a short while and then he (and his brother) got their careers destroyed by injuries.
Or maybe 4 or 5 coaching changes.
Mental headcase
Webb is certainly a bit of a head case, but he's also had a lot of injuries along the way. Would any of you argue that Ritz hasn't had almost as many ups and downs as Webb? Look at two previous great American milers Jim Ryun and Marty Liquori, their careers were just as up and down as Webb's.
There are plenty of great athletes who ended up having one or two great years and then a mediocre rest of their career because of injuries. How about Bo Jackson (one very specific injury), Kerry Wood, Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Eric Lindros and now Sydney Crosby?
No, because Alan Webb accomplished more than even he dreamt possible, running 1:43, AR for the Mile (the ultimate goal), and a 3:31 for 1500m along with 13:10 and 27:30's. The guy can retire in peace.
Industree wrote:
No, because Alan Webb accomplished more than even he dreamt possible, running 1:43, AR for the Mile (the ultimate goal), and a 3:31 for 1500m along with 13:10 and 27:30's. The guy can retire in peace.
But he won't
I would say he over raced , greedy agent involved.
Poor coaching advice and his ability to understand the fine line of to much to be injured or not.
He is not done , maybe not at his "best" level , but good enough to be in the hunt.
Webb might've been even better if he laid down a "Peter Snell' type base, but I'm not sure his head would've allowed him to win any major championships. He had the capability to become a 12:50 or better 5,000 runner.
noakesie wrote:
Either that or Noakes is correct on the 10 years life expectancy of high-level competition, page 348, Lore of Running.
Noakes said 20 years.
Many of the top runners around the world show the same kind of fluky inconsistency. Every year there are 10-15 new top African talents who disappear off the world scene as quickly as they showed up it seems.
We just have a lot fewer runners at that talent level.
Don't think high level starts at 16. When you hit the Olympics or the diamond leagues, that's when the high level starts. Not sure that one can reach that level when one is 16.
Yes...this is why the US had been failing as of late with post-collegiate runners. I like to call it the scholarship shortcut. You've now got good high school and college coaches who are spending a lot of time training the correct way with building good aerobic strength base over a runners career. The only coach I know who's been successful as of late at the hammer intervals in college is the coach at Indiana Ron Helmer. It's going to be interesting how this group of Bayer...etc. do post collegiate.
The africans leave the scene simply because they are done with running , made enough $$ to get started in their home towns , they do not feel the need to keep running as an occupation as americans approach the pro aspect of the sport.
novel Idea wrote:
The africans leave the scene simply because they are done with running , made enough $$ to get started in their home towns , they do not feel the need to keep running as an occupation as americans approach the pro aspect of the sport.
That's BS. Plenty of Africans stick around for years, even after being set financially. Just look at Geb, Tergat, Bekele, Eliud Kipchoge. Even Daniel Komen kept running, even after his period of greatness.
Is it really that hard to imagine that there are Kenyan versions of, say, German Fernandez or Alan Webb out there, who have one amazing period of running and can't replicate it?
People forget that no matter what type of training an athlete does, most of them are done by the age Webb is now.
Snell retired years before he was Webb's age. Snell was already talking about losing his speed edge in '64 and didn't think he had as good a shot at the 800 that year.
Name the athletes that were unquestionably better in every way past the age of 30.
Time wounds all heels.
Jaouad Gharib