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The weasel tried to invoke a "statute of limitations" despite having admitted to doping the whole time. Unbelievable.
The weasel tried to invoke a "statute of limitations" despite having admitted to doping the whole time. Unbelievable.
So this changes a few of our current Masters records? What do the records revert to? Anyone have that info? Any new performances came close to dirty E's that become the "new" records.
Hellebuk has served his time, and most of his records should be allowed to stand, because his EPO use was of short duration and sporadic. Ironically, many of his notable records will go unrecognized, because many of those records have been falsely attributed to EPO use, when, in fact, he was not on the EPO.
EPO or not, Hellebuyk was a good invididual with good intentions who helped many athletes with lodging and advice during their stays in Albuquerque during the 90s. This included one of my athletes, Abdelghani Zouad, who had no leg speed whatsoever, but who managed to post a 13.56/29.00 after moving to Albuquerque with high 31 credentials for 10km.
Fast forward, Zouad is now a barber in the southern French city of Marseilles, and still venerates Eddie as being the person who turned his running career around, including a 4th place in the French road 10km around the year 2000.
A very unfortunate case.
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He admitted to using EPO for 3 years. All his records set from 2001-2004 should be taken off the books.
There were extenuating circumstances which compelled Hellebuyk to take EPO, including the pressure put upon him by a top Russian marathoner who had a somewhat intimidating presence in Albuquerque. Not condoning what Eddie did, but he deserves sympathy because in the grand scheme of things, he was a good and honest person. There are many testimonies in support of this.
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ghost wrote:
Not condoning what Eddie did, but he deserves sympathy because in the grand scheme of things, he was a good and honest person.
That's like saying in the grand scheme of things, Marion Jones was an honest person. Your statement makes no sense. IF by it you mean that most of the things that came out of Eddy's mouth were true, well, so what?
ghost wrote:
A very unfortunate case.
The only unfortunate thing is that he systematically cheated for years and robbed his fellow athletes of the money and praise he was willing to break the rules for.
His being caught and stripped of his records, as any lying cheat should be in this sport, is a good thing.
Nice story about the runner he helped out, but it has zero bearing on his "records" and how he cheated to get them.
Mashallah, he has made some good business decisions (multiple rental properties in diverse locations), so he/and family (Eddie) will not starve. Those legal cases cost a lot of money and nervous energy for years. Now let us give the man a 'clean slate' and allow him to pursue the American records in the 50 and in a few years 55+ plus age group. This will be interesting. With his diminutive build and the fact that he has never had significant injuries, mean that he should obliterate many of those records. It will be just vindication for all that he has suffered.
He has kept fit all this time, even though he spends more time on the golf course these days, but with a few weeks training, I think he could get back to around 32" for 10km which would be up there in the rankings.
Poor Eddie has been vilified for years. Now it is time to show our Christian and Islamic values and show forgiveness to a man who has honestly repented and come clean. The Bible and the Qu'uran make provision for people who have made mistakes under duress, and so it should be.
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Hellebuyk a victim??? To a bully Russian marathoner?
You are delusional. And funny.
Ed was (is?) the prototypical "little bully"
Good Person or not it does not matter, the records should be gone. Its quite simple and it doesn't matter if he is your friend, or a friends friend and he pullled your dieing child out of a burning building. He took away records from his Peers that he did not deserve to have. That is the only part of the story that pertains to the matter. Its a very black and white situation. He doped, he admitted to it, he loses his records. Why should anybody even second guess if he should lose them or not. Its like someone admitting they cut the course in a Marathon but we allowed him to keep his time and prize winnings because he was honest about it. Give me a break. Sorry PEDdy, those aren't your records anymore.
ghost wrote:
EPO or not, Hellebuyk was a good invididual with good intentions who helped many athletes with lodging and advice during their stays in Albuquerque during the 90s. This included one of my athletes, Abdelghani Zouad, who had no leg speed whatsoever, but who managed to post a 13.56/29.00 after moving to Albuquerque with high 31 credentials for 10km.
Hmmmm, wonder what caused that drop from high 31s to 29???
I think Eddy helped a lot of athletes that way.
ghost has never seen a doper he can't empathize with.
Thank you for your insinuation that Abdelghani Zouad (SCO St Marguerite club, Marseille, France) may have doped. This was not the case, as he ran in many French championships on the road, country and track, and was never nabbed. One assumes he was tested many times, as are all the athletes at the front of the field. France is getting very tough with dopers and there is no room to hide.
Hellebuyck had a mystical and inspiring quality that enabled athletes to discover new levels of excellence after meeting him. This was the case with another athlete in the SCO club Marseille - Benoit Zwierchleski (Benoit Z as he is known in France) who became French and co Euro record holder in the marathon with a 2.06 time in the Paris marathon, ending the race with a cartwheel, such was his freshness and strength after training for several weeks in Albuquerque under guru Hellebuyck. Another runner who profited from Eddie's tutelage was Nadir Bosch (the Villeneuve Loubet, Nice runner) who got down to 3.32 for 1500 thanks to Eddie's professional wisdom and advice. He had and effect on athletes similar to Salazar, and not one of those athletes, many now retired have blamed Eddie for incitement to doping. This would tend to reinforce Eddie's claim to basic innocence in relation to his contact with other athletes.
Just because someone associates with someone who may have engaged in a deleterious act does not implicate that person as well.
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Ghost, you should stop naming people. Every new person you name will just get associated with EPO and PEDs.
ghost wrote:
Hellebuk has served his time, and most of his records should be allowed to stand, because his EPO use was of short duration and sporadic. Ironically, many of his notable records will go unrecognized, because many of those records have been falsely attributed to EPO use, when, in fact, he was not on the EPO.
EPO or not, Hellebuyk was a good invididual with good intentions who helped many athletes with lodging and advice during their stays in Albuquerque during the 90s. This included one of my athletes, Abdelghani Zouad, who had no leg speed whatsoever, but who managed to post a 13.56/29.00 after moving to Albuquerque with high 31 credentials for 10km.
Fast forward, Zouad is now a barber in the southern French city of Marseilles, and still venerates Eddie as being the person who turned his running career around, including a 4th place in the French road 10km around the year 2000.
A very unfortunate case.
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Whatever you say, Eddy.
ghost wrote:
Thank you for your insinuation that Abdelghani Zouad (SCO Hellebuyck had a mystical and inspiring quality that enabled athletes to discover new levels of excellence after meeting him.
When a drug dealer has that quality it means that he is giving or selling drugs to those other people. Mystical and inspiring=EPO for everybody.
the dumbest letsrunner wrote:
The only unfortunate thing is that he systematically cheated for years and robbed his fellow athletes of the money and praise he was willing to break the rules for.
His being caught and stripped of his records, as any lying cheat should be in this sport, is a good thing.
Nice story about the runner he helped out, but it has zero bearing on his "records" and how he cheated to get them.
How exactly did he cheat or rob anyone?
C'mon Man.
He stated:
"Hellebuyck denied he had ever intentionally used EPO"
There is no way you can ever not intentionally take EPO unless you are a Cancer patient in the Hospital.
The guy is a cheater plan and simple, and once you are a cheater and a liar, no one is ever going to believe you again.
Hellebuyk is like the guy who steals a car, says how sorry he is for stealing it, but still wants to keep the car. I'm glad they rejected his statute of limitations crap.
It's not about forgiving people or being merciful - it's about justice for everyone that a drug cheat has cheated. Doping is not a victimless crime. Drug cheats are cheating every clean competitor that they beat. Marion Jones cheated every clean runner she beat plus every clean member of her US relay team who also lost her medal. Leaving records by cheaters in the record books cheats everyone who might be in the record book in place of the cheat.
People can forgive Hellebuyk or not as they wish, but he shouldn't get to keep records that he obtained by cheating.
He cheated anybody that didn't win prize money due to his aided performances. He cheated anybody that got 2nd and didn't get the fame that they would've recieved if they would have been the top runner. The list goes on and on. How difficult is it to comprehend?
I love how there is this school of thought that people somehow deserve a medal for being honest after lying for such a long time. "oh, he finally manned up, and told the truth. Good for him, I like him now."
People like Eddy H lied, cheated, STOLE MONEY! Not to mention illegally obtaining the drugs in the first place. If it were any other business you'd not only be fired, but arrested and sued for grand theft, and fraud, among other things.
When an athlete cheats in track, they are by that very action stealing money in that their performances are fraudulent and keeps other athletes from earning their fair share.
There is NO room for sympathy for these athletes, from Eddy H to Marion Jones, and all in between. Tolerance is why it continues. They chose to cheat their profession, and everyone a part of it. All of their records, results, medals should be wiped out when they are found guilty.
If you were in the race, and did everything right, followed the rules, and in the biggest race of your life you got 2nd. And 3 years later you find out the person who beat you was a cheat, and a liar, and cheated you out of what was rightfully yours. I'm sure your sympathy would quickly melt away.
Oh no, but they seem like such good people! Well gosh, we can't punish them since they seem like good people. And everyone who commits murder is evil. Some good people do bad things, and some bad people do good things. But doping requires a SYSTEMATIC MANIPULATION of the truth. They first decide to take the drug, then compete with it, then take all the praise for a good performance, and the money, records, awards, attention that comes with it. And even when they get caught eventually, hand in the cookie jar, they continue their deceit until maybe one day they confess. And then we award them the sympathy vote. NOPE! Their doping required years of calculated manipulation, which is in no way a single act of good/bad. So NO! people like EDDY H are NOT good people. Sorry, but their good deeds only cloud the fact that they saw it as ok to lie and deceive everyone for years and reap rewards from it. Sound like the act of a good person?