60mpw 5k time is 14:10
90mpw 5k time is 14:35
Less mileage is better. I also find if I'm more relaxed about my training I do better than if I focus too much on little details while getting paranoid over missing anything. Discuss.
60mpw 5k time is 14:10
90mpw 5k time is 14:35
Less mileage is better. I also find if I'm more relaxed about my training I do better than if I focus too much on little details while getting paranoid over missing anything. Discuss.
You have told us nothing about your training leading into either of those efforts, other than the fact that you're obsessive at high mileage for some reason.
if you didnt have the segments where you cared about missing and/or running 90mpw you wouldnt feel good at 60mpw and you wouldnt be where you are. 90mpw makes you good, 60mpw proves your good.
No one cares because you're just a hobby jogger. Everyone on Let's Run goes sub 13:20 and runs at least 150 mpw and never has an injury or a bad race. So don't sweat it since even your better time sucks.
Maybe fairly near racing season you're better at 60 mpw. But months out, I can't believe that lots of 90 mpw's under your belt wouldn't benefit more.
Good for you; go with what works.
MPW vs 1500m times:
10mpw - 4:37
30mpw - 4:19
35mpw - 4:14
45mpw - 4:05
45mpw - 4:05
45mpw - 4:06 <-- Hrmm something's amiss.
60mpw - 3:55 <-- There we go.
60mpw - 3:53
70mpw - 3:48
70mpw - 3:47
90mpw - 3:?? <-- We'll see what happens.
At every point since I started running, I've never been able to make a significant gain without bumping up the mileage. Mileage is key.
how do you run 10 miles per week?
cool.story.bro. wrote:
how do you run 10 miles per week?
You run 1 mile on 5 days. Then 2 miles on another day. Then 3 miles on another day.
Or 2 miles 3 days a week and 1 mile the other 4.
Or 10 miles on one day and 6 rest days.
Haha. I only ran M, W, F at the time. So about 3-4 miles each of those days. The 1500m felt then like a 5k does now. I was also only 14...
cool.story.bro. wrote:
how do you run 10 miles per week?
MPW is king wrote:
MPW vs 1500m times:
10mpw - 4:37
30mpw - 4:19
35mpw - 4:14
45mpw - 4:05
45mpw - 4:05
45mpw - 4:06 <-- Hrmm something's amiss.
60mpw - 3:55 <-- There we go.
60mpw - 3:53
70mpw - 3:48
70mpw - 3:47
90mpw - 3:?? <-- We'll see what happens.
At every point since I started running, I've never been able to make a significant gain without bumping up the mileage. Mileage is key.
No one runs 3:47 in the 1500m without a lot of talent. Talent can also allow you to be successful with higher training volumes.
I'm not very talented and my performances get real bad when I'm running 75+ MPW. 65ish seems to be my sweet spot.
Mileage takes years of consistency to see results. That said, everyone has a sweet spot. For me it was 70. After 3 years of 100+ I dropped down to 70-80 and dropped my times a ton. I was running my ideal mileage and reaping the benefit of the last 3 years. I ran 29:35 for 10k which was max for my average talent.
lessismore wrote:
60mpw 5k time is 14:10
90mpw 5k time is 14:35
Less mileage is better. I also find if I'm more relaxed about my training I do better than if I focus too much on little details while getting paranoid over missing anything. Discuss.
Periodization is the answer for you my friend.
way to just make crap up!!!
I don't think that I fall into the category of "a lot of talent." I have no natural speed (53.5 400m), and my performances at longer distances are terrible (14:50 5k, 25:30 8k). Mileage is really difficult for me to do, thus why I try and maximize quality at a certain volume before giving up every other year and upping the mpw.I got to 3:47 not off of talent, but by ridiculous workouts like 80x200m and 15-mile progression runs. I train with people who, literally, can go from 1:55 to 1:45 in the 800m with two months of training, or from 15:30 to 13:50 in the same time frame. I see that as talent.I say that MPW is king, because, just being able to train at a high volume without getting injured seems like an incredible gift.
Hot, Hard Facts wrote:
No one runs 3:47 in the 1500m without a lot of talent. Talent can also allow you to be successful with higher training volumes.
I'm not very talented and my performances get real bad when I'm running 75+ MPW. 65ish seems to be my sweet spot.
MPW is king wrote:
I train with people who, literally, can go from 1:55 to 1:45 in the 800m with two months of training, or from 15:30 to 13:50 in the same time frame. I see that as talent.
So you train with Symmonds, Manzano, Wheating, Torrence, Solomon, Andrews, Jock, Primm, Robinson or Williams?
Cuz they are they only 1:45 dudes in the US last year.
Or, do you train with non-US athletes?
I would guess that none of those guys are running 1:55 before they hit their yearly peak.
However, I'm not an elite runner anymore, so I guess you know better.
The letsrun bs train is derailed again!
lessismore wrote:
60mpw 5k time is 14:10
90mpw 5k time is 14:35
Less mileage is better. I also find if I'm more relaxed about my training I do better than if I focus too much on little details while getting paranoid over missing anything. Discuss.
Let me simplify this for you.
Because of the 90 MPW training you had success training at 60 MPW.
At some point you'll need to go back to the 90MPW and then drop your mileage once again in order to sharpen up.
Training adaptation doesn't occur in the small time period everyone thinks it does.
When you dropped down to 60 you had everything you needed at that point to do strong workouts and reap the benefits of your hard work. Eventually you'll have to build your strength again.