All I can say is that his hatred towards Hall continues and he has to get over it. Ryan should be at the top of that list based on times and the combined quality and consistency of all of his marathons. The world of marathoning is bigger and more competitive now than it was back in Shorter's days. Meb should be number two.
Hall has won how many major Marathons? That's what I thought fan boy.
Khalid is the guy way too low on that list.
herschisajoke wrote:
All I can say is that his hatred towards Hall continues and he has to get over it. Ryan should be at the top of that list based on times and the combined quality and consistency of all of his marathons. The world of marathoning is bigger and more competitive now than it was back in Shorter's days. Meb should be number two.
I agree that Hersh has a weird hatred of Ryan Hall. I wouldn't be surprised if he made this list with the sole intention of snubbing Ryan Hall. Hersh is a total *sshole.
Look, the guy said it himself in the article, only one Kenyan competing in Shorter's era. The marathon was not a worldwide endeavor competitively speaking back then, in his own words "like apples to oranges". By the way, I am a woman who has been around long enough to remember the Shorter era, how bout you?
Yes I do remember the 1972 Olympics, it was the first Olympic games I remember as a kid.
The other things that occurred were burned into anyone's memory who was old enough to even maginally understand that something awful happened.
At least now I understand the thinking behind your post, no need to try and discuss with you.
All in all I think its a great list. Only thing I would change is swapping places with Buddy Edelen and Kannouchi. Actually I would put Kannouchi 4th and Edelen 5th.
For each successful athlete there are at least half a dozen leechers: Officials, managers, coaches, and journalists.
Some journos are just plain pi##@d that they cannot dig deep in their list of superlatives. Imagine how easy they could sell twice the amount of lines (and I assume they get paid by lines) if they had a national superlative!
If Ryan Hall competed in the days of Shorter, Kelley or Salazar, he would have probably one every race and had piles of gold medals. Ryan Hall's main problem is that the sport took off just as he was catching up to it. He is the fastest US born runner and will probably get the AR in the marathon (unless Rupp gets it first). That has to get him ahead of a bunch of those guys.
I'm with you. I might swap Meb's and BR's places but probably wouldn't. I think I'd have Young Kelley where he has Old Kelley and I'd move Khannouchi up a slot or two.
???????????? wrote:
Yes I do remember the 1972 Olympics, it was the first Olympic games I remember as a kid.
The other things that occurred were burned into anyone's memory who was old enough to even maginally understand that something awful happened.
At least now I understand the thinking behind your post, no need to try and discuss with you.
Even though I feel the need to ignore you because you sound like a contentious jerk, I will respond. What the he#% does what I had to say have to do with the sadness surrounding the 1972 Olympics? I was talking about the lack of African involvement in the marathon in Shorter's time. Two different things...Quit being such an a**!
My biggest issue with Hersch's "who has the most medals" reasoning is that it is unrealistic and unfair to today's marathoners. That reasoning would be like saying Bill Russell or George Mikan etc. are better than Michael Jordan or Lebron James because they won more NBA Mvp titles. The NBA, like any other professional level sport, has natuarally grown bigger and more competitive as time goes on, and therefore, athletes themselves have had to be more competitive.
ryan hall 10th?
lol.
herschisajoke wrote:
All I can say is that his hatred towards Hall continues and he has to get over it. Ryan should be at the top of that list based on times and the combined quality and consistency of all of his marathons. The world of marathoning is bigger and more competitive now than it was back in Shorter's days. Meb should be number two.
Consistently doing what? Getting 5th at a major marathon, not getting a medal at the WC or OG? Its true that running has evolved but that doesn't mean it should be taken away from previous generations. Guys like Shorter and Rodgers went out there beat whoever toed the line. Hall can't say that.
Agree. Winning Boston in the 30s and 40s is worth less than a top 20 finish today, and that's being generous.
stuck with match.com wrote:
Consistently doing what? Getting 5th at a major marathon, not getting a medal at the WC or OG? Its true that running has evolved but that doesn't mean it should be taken away from previous generations. Guys like Shorter and Rodgers went out there beat whoever toed the line. Hall can't say that.
How many sub-27, sub-13 guys did they face? For that matter, how many sub-13:30 guys?
herschisajoke wrote:
???????????? wrote:Yes I do remember the 1972 Olympics, it was the first Olympic games I remember as a kid.
The other things that occurred were burned into anyone's memory who was old enough to even maginally understand that something awful happened.
At least now I understand the thinking behind your post, no need to try and discuss with you.
Even though I feel the need to ignore you because you sound like a contentious jerk, I will respond. What the he#% does what I had to say have to do with the sadness surrounding the 1972 Olympics? I was talking about the lack of African involvement in the marathon in Shorter's time. Two different things...Quit being such an a**!
Ok. One more..
The bulk of my post was in response to you asking if anyone remembered the Shorter and the 72 games. When you are a kid back then, maybe you didn't remember individual performances but you remembered Jim McKay reporting everyday on the hostages and trying to comprehend why it was happening. Then you remember Shorter on the last day of the games.
Perhaps you should go back and read the question you posed instead of rushing to your obnoxious college girl act.
Freelove wrote:
stuck with match.com wrote:Consistently doing what? Getting 5th at a major marathon, not getting a medal at the WC or OG? Its true that running has evolved but that doesn't mean it should be taken away from previous generations. Guys like Shorter and Rodgers went out there beat whoever toed the line. Hall can't say that.
How many sub-27, sub-13 guys did they face? For that matter, how many sub-13:30 guys?
0 just like the amount of OG or WC medals that Hall has. The point is nobody was running that fast because people weren't as developed. If Ryan hall were alive in 1960 he wouldn't be running his PB of 2:06 no he'd be running about a 2:30 or worse.
Oh and by the way Hall never ran a 2:04 because hurricaine aided downhill courses dont count.
Well, good old Kelley is in 6th. So you'd think it's more about the impact they had on marathon running in the US. But then there is this comment which shows that he still needs to grow a pair:
"Yes, Ryan Hall is on the list, and he would move into my top three should he make the 2012 Olympic team and win a medal at the London Games."
Go f.... for a run Phil.