Outside magazine is trash.
Ratings:
Livestrong Overall (59.75) 3 stars
American Cancer Society Overall (53.85) 3 stars
American Institute for Cancer Research Overall 40.85) 2 stars
American Breast Cancer Foundation Overall (30.25) 1 stars
Armstrong is an ego maniac that cheated cancer, but also cheated his way to the TdF a number of times and now his "job" is to promote himself. The foundation makes for a nice cover, just like a televangelist that skims off the top and justifies his actions by saying he "inspired many people to turn to God." The ends justify the means, so to speak.
And the author of the piece is correct "awareness" is code word these days for "sham".
Kinda like the "philanthropists" who make sure their name is plastered on endowments, buildings and entire schools.
How can anyone believe Lance rode clean for his victories in the EPO era?
TLW wrote:
How can anyone believe Lance rode clean for his victories in the EPO era?
Does anyone?
Because all the weenies upset at Lance give a shit about Cancer and are helping in what way??
Pathetic.
Did you read the article Minimalist North?
I have tried to work with the Livestrong Foundation on some novel research, and was basically told no thanks, 'only we know what we are doing, and we don't want anyone doing anything that we didn't come up with oursevles'. My research is not controversial, and is working with a local Livestrong YMCA cancer survivor program to show its efficacy over doing nothing. they were quite direct in telling me i wasn't welcomed, even though i was invited by the local Y. Interesting organization.
come at me BRO wrote:
TLW wrote:How can anyone believe Lance rode clean for his victories in the EPO era?
Does anyone?
Yes. In my experience, anyone surviving cancer or with a family member surviving cancer ignores rational and finds Lance good as gold. Because frankly who's going to tell them otherwise face to face?
NJ Possible wrote:
Yes. In my experience, anyone surviving cancer or with a family member surviving cancer ignores rational and finds Lance good as gold. Because frankly who's going to tell them otherwise face to face?
As someone who used to have cancer - I hate the term cancer "survivor" - I have no use for Lance. Raising funds for cancer research is a worthy cause. Using cancer to promote yourself when you are a questionable role model and using a charity to try to insulate yourself from criticism for being a jerk and suspected cheater is not admirable in my book.
Wearing yellow plastic wristbands is associated with a higher risk of cancer of the taint.
Used to Have Cancer wrote:
NJ Possible wrote:Yes. In my experience, anyone surviving cancer or with a family member surviving cancer ignores rational and finds Lance good as gold. Because frankly who's going to tell them otherwise face to face?
As someone who used to have cancer - I hate the term cancer "survivor" - I have no use for Lance. Raising funds for cancer research is a worthy cause. Using cancer to promote yourself when you are a questionable role model and using a charity to try to insulate yourself from criticism for being a jerk and suspected cheater is not admirable in my book.
Good to hear. What's your personal experience amongst other people who've had/have cancer? I'd think your thoughts were more the exception than rule. Anyone get defensive about Lance if you told them your thoughts, or respect your perspective?
I haven't done a survey, but at least recently after Floyd Landis and the story on 60 Minutes (and all of the doping stories from baseball and other sports) I think there's notably less enthusiasm for Lance and people are more likely to shrug their shoulders than actually defend him, or they will say it's a good cause even if Lance cheated, or that everyone cheats on the Tour and it's just part of the sport. Of course some of it may just be passage of time as Lance's Tour victories are longer ago, just like Michael Jordan isn't as big a deal as he used to be.
NJ Possible wrote:
Used to Have Cancer wrote:As someone who used to have cancer - I hate the term cancer "survivor" - I have no use for Lance. Raising funds for cancer research is a worthy cause. Using cancer to promote yourself when you are a questionable role model and using a charity to try to insulate yourself from criticism for being a jerk and suspected cheater is not admirable in my book.
Good to hear. What's your personal experience amongst other people who've had/have cancer? I'd think your thoughts were more the exception than rule. Anyone get defensive about Lance if you told them your thoughts, or respect your perspective?
My mom bought me his book and I saw a man with faith in nothing except sports. I know his step father and his hypocritical alcoholism and faith ruined Lance of a lot of things. The bike was his way to try and control things, find an escape, and, get the hell out of dodge. Personally, I feel bad for the guy. I am glad that he overcame all the stuff he did. He had it a lot worse than I did, and, what he accomplished athletically is pretty awesome, but, I see someone who is one-dimensional because the sank their entire life into one thing. As far as taking cues from Lance on faith, I'll pass. Awareness is crap. Give the money to people who need it, not football players who wear pink gloves. My family struggled last year to make ends meet. No organization supported us. Awareness did nothing. It was the generosity of people who gave us money, not organizations like Livestrong, that made a difference in my life. I think if people need handholding, he's got some good stuff. But, I am now a very strong advocate of helping people, not organizations no matter who their poster boy is.
Not defending Lance, as I think he is a tosser, but isn't that effectively the conclusion that the Outside article came to; That Livestrong, as an organization, is helping individual people and families directly, rather than supporting cancer research?
Isn't this exactly what you advocate?
common wrote:
Not defending Lance, as I think he is a tosser, but isn't that effectively the conclusion that the Outside article came to; That Livestrong, as an organization, is helping individual people and families directly, rather than supporting cancer research?
Isn't this exactly what you advocate?
Maybe it's just my cancer type, but, I've never seen a single person helped by them.
Great article, thanks for the link.
Lance is going down soon, nice to see the vultures already picking at him.
Cheat deserves everything he gets.
I'd bet I'm one of the few posting here who read the whole article and didn't find it that damning.
Like it or not, it was just the reality of a large, celebrity driven, charity; albeit one trading on the accomplishments of a lying, drug cheat with a major personality disorder.