Hansons vs. Ex-Hansons at the Trials

Not really. If you score it like cross country then x-hansons win easily.

DeePDish wrote:

Who would win a XC style scoring at the trials between Hansons athletes and former Hansons athletes? On paper looks like a pretty good match up...

Hansons: Humphrey, Morgan, Polley, Canaday, Verran, Johnson, Hefferon, Scribner, Sheehan, Criscione

X-Hansons: Arciniaga, Reneau, Rizzo, Wagner, Eggleston, Jankowski, Joslyn, Young, Briney, Hine, Eberly

Here's my guess for how they'll finish with respect to each other:

1.) Morgan

2.) Arciniaga

3.) Eggleston

4.) Humphrey

5.) Reneau

6.) Criscione

7.) Jankowski

8.) Rizzo

9.) Sheehan

10.) Canaday

Hansons: 30

X-Hansons: 25

Should be a fun race within a race to watch.

I think the real question is why are there so many ex-hansons? If those guys are spending a million dollars a year, and are such great coaches, why are there still active guys who left the program? What gives?

Hanson's team has been around for well over 10 years. There are a lot of reasons someone might decide to leave. Possibilities include moving closer to family, getting married, don't like the weather, personality conflicts, etc. Every training center has some turnover every year.

True and considering turnover at other elite clubs, Hansons is very low turnover

exwife wrote:

I think the real question is why are there so many ex-hansons? If those guys are spending a million dollars a year, and are such great coaches, why are there still active guys who left the program? What gives?

Why are there so many ex-Salazars?

Mike Morgan is NOT beating Nick, no way.

Canaday I agree with, he's far to overrated.

If Nick beats Mike it will be a first. 0-6 so far in the marathon.

I can help you Mr. Dasler.

This is the Olympic Trials.

Nick has a pr of 3:25 seconds faster than Mike.

Nick has run about 8 seconds per mile for 26 miles faster than Mike.

Nick has broken 2:12 twice and his pr of 2:11:30 was set just a year ago to date from the trials on Saturday, on the same course.

Mike has broken 2:15, once.

Mike reminds me of Clint Verran (never mind place, I am talking about time)

Since his debut marathon in 2006 (2:15:11), Mike has run only 16 seconds faster for the distance in those 5 years with a best of 2:14:55. Not even 1 second per mile faster over 1/2 a decade of training.

Why would Mike suddenly run 2:11 now? What has changed "that" much?

I personally don't care about silly summer hot world championship races where nobody runs up to par and many drop out.

Based off my above facts, any smart oddsmaker would agree with me. If Mike had a pr of 2:11 plus, it would be a whole different ball game, but he doesn't after several tries of running the same 2:15ish marathon. Odds are, Nick will finish in front of Mike on Saturday.

Restrictions. No dating other Hansons. Etc.

exwife wrote:

I think the real question is why are there so many ex-hansons? If those guys are spending a million dollars a year, and are such great coaches, why are there still active guys who left the program? What gives?

Remember that for a long period of time after an athlete leaves a coach they are still the product of that system. When you coach an athlete for two (2) years or so and then six (6) weeks after leaving your stable they run a nice race it is still from your training. We would almost have to have a "cooling off or detraining period" to really consider who is responsible.

How about we go ahead and agree that you get to rub it in my face after the face if you're right, and I get to rub it in yours after if not? In a friendly manner, of course. Because you make it seem so obvious, when it probably seemed equally obvious the last few times they raced.

Mick loving wrote:

Restrictions. No dating other Hansons. Etc. [quote]exwife wrote:

Is this true, though? I read a profile of Desiree Davilla and I thought it said something about her being engaged to a teammate.

That part is on the last page of the article, although I may have misread and maybe her fiance isn't on the team anymore, or was never actually on the team.

It's a deal except I think you meant "after the fact", not face.

And by the way, everyone on this board knows there are no guarantees but if you showed my above facts to a non runner and they had to place a bet, 9 out of 10 would go with my choice (based on the facts listed above in my post) knowing that both were going into the race healthy.

Think of it this way: Nick's best time is closer to Meb's best time than Mike's best time is to Nick's. And, Nick ran his pr way more recent than Mike did. Hence, I respectfully don't know where you are coming from.

And p.s. I won't be rubbing it in your face or anyone's face and would get no joy out of doing so. I am from Michigan and would love to see Mike go faster, but I just don't see it based off the facts in my original post...but feel free to rub it in my face if I''m wrong as I will be back under the same handle.

yabadaba dodo wrote:

Mike Morgan is NOT beating Nick, no way.

Canaday I agree with, he's far to overrated.

Nick is coming off an injury and things have just started to turn around for him in training. Sometimes this is a good thing going into a marathon fresh instead of overtrained, but I think Morgan is a monster right now when it comes to his fitness. I think they'll be within 30 seconds of each other, still giving the nod to Morgan.

I would be very surprised if Morgan, Arciniaga, Eggleston and Humphrey finished as the first 4 from the Hansons/X-Hansons pool of runners. These are the guys that are most likely taking a shot to get on the team, and therefore are more likely running an all or nothing race. Wouldn't be surprised if 2 out of those 4 have huge positive splits (1:05/1:15) or DNF. I'm betting at least a few other guys will also go for a long shot of making the team. Should be fun nonetheless.

I don't think it matters the last few times they raced. They aren't racing each other but are running in the oly trials marathon. Sorry, but your logic doesn't apply. The guy is right, Nick has way better odds to finish in front of Morgan with a best time over 3 min faster.

As for the race, Ryan is the only shoe-in unless he gets sick or injured before the start. He could do really crappy and run 2:10:30 and still make it, but because of the $$$ for first place I don't believe he will give it to anyone easily.

The other 2 could be Ritzenhein and Meb, Mo, or anyone of about 8 guys. Hartmann would be in there too, but I don't see Morgan anywhere near the leaders with even 10k to go and I "would" bet on it.

Nope. Do you seriously think Humphrey is taking a shot to get on the team and thinking that he might make it with his pr? Sorry friend, this isn't the same as Brian going into the trials with a 2:10 pr. Luke may go through 1/2 way in about 1:06 and I think Morgan will also, but they are not running to seriously make the team. Argue if you like but with your logic all of those guys will be there until they can't maintain pace with the leaders and seriously the reality is THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Not yelling at you, just making a point. I agree it will be fun but don't forget, there is money for places other than the top 3 and those guys are also running for some dough. If those 4 guys go through 1/2 way in 1:05 flat I will be in total shock and literally besides myself. Slightly under 1:06, maybe, but 1:05? I just don't see it.