Dr. Rosa II? hmmmmmmmm.
Dr. Rosa II? hmmmmmmmm.
Yeah, I'm curious as to who his real coach is. The site w/ Hengelo pictures seems to show him a lot with "manager" Jos Hermans. Who is his coach?
Kostre is the Ethiopian coach; Hermens is his manager. One of the things that Ethiopia has going for it that Kenya does not is that, with few exceptions, all the Ethiopian runners are coached by Kostre or by coahces who Kostre has educated. This keeps their training consistent and limits the influence of corrupted managers/coaches.
If I remember my history correctly, Hermens is not exactly "uncorrupted".
OK, I'll say what everyone else is thinking: As much as I'd like to believe the recent Ethiopian times is a triumph of the human spirit, I can't help but thinking that we're seeing the results of "post EPO" oxygen-boosting drugs before the tests catch up. Geb's history is a little fishy: He runs breakthrough world records of 12:39 and mid-26s for 10K, then he can't come near those times (just when EPO testing comes to pass), and now all of a sudden he's running "those kind of times" again.
Give me a better reason.
trackhead wrote:
This keeps their training consistent and limits the influence of corrupted managers/coaches.
What do you call Jos Hermans, a choir boy? How many of his athletes have been busted over the years?
I don't see the disparity:
1998: 3:31, 7:25, 12:39, 26:22; non-championship year
1999: 3:33, WIC 1500m gold, 12:49, only 10k was WC
2000: nursing achilles injury, ran 12:57 and 27:18 for gold
2001: only track race was '01 WC, came off achilles surgery and focused on WHM Champs, where he won in 60:03
2002: focused on marathon, 2:06 senior debut after cramping up at 39km, ran 27:02 for road 10km WR.
2003: WR for 2mi(i), WIC 3000m gold, 12:53 5k, 26:29 10km, fabulous WC race at Paris
2004: 7:29 indoor 3k, 26:41 10k
He was never "not" running great -- the difference is that he's making the pace much of the time for his teammates, he's no longer in a class of his own and he's not as durable as he once was. He's older and more sensative to injury.
Some will call me an apologist, but I think that too many people assume you need drugs to run WR times. I honestly beleive that the Ethiopians are a clean team.
Wasn't there a story in the press recently of an American 400m runner, managed by Hermans, who is all tied in the Balco case ?
I hadn't looked at Geb's record that closely. But going from 1998 until 2003 between sub-27 10K efforts which happened to include EPO testing for the first time tripped my BS sensor.
I'd like to believe that the Ethiopians are clean, especially Geb. There is much to admire about the man. Sad to say, the modern era has killed my sense of innocence. And the association with Hermans doesn't help.
Hermans held the WR for the "one hour run" on the track, twice, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong. I have heard that he would come out of nowhere to run these records.
I have heard that Hermens himself was chaught for drugs,
anyone who can confirm this?
he only ran championship 10ks between '99 and '01. In '99, the only sub27 10k was at Brussels; he didn't run there. In 2000, Brussels was the fastest 10k of the year (27:03.8) but Geb didn'trun there. He was done after the Olympics. 2001 his only 10k was in Edmonton while he focuesed on the half. The fastest 10k was 27:04 by Chebii at Stanford. 2002 Brussells had the only sub27 of the year (led by Sammy Kipketer), while Geb focused on the marathon. 2003 was his first year in many where he was track focused.
he only ran championship 10ks between '99 and '01. In '99, the only sub27 10k was at Brussels; he didn't run there. In 2000, Brussels was the fastest 10k of the year (27:03.8) but Geb didn'trun there. He was done after the Olympics. 2001 his only 10k was in Edmonton while he focuesed on the half. The fastest 10k was 27:04 by Chebii at Stanford. 2002 Brussells had the only sub27 of the year (led by Sammy Kipketer), while Geb focused on the marathon. 2003 was his first year in many where he was track focused.
Bekele's "doctor" coach has a PhD in physical education.
Kostre trained in Hungary whilst the Iron Curtain still existed, hopefully whilst the East European coaches were doping their charges to the gills Kostre was not picking upa few tips but I can't believe that (particularly in the run up to the Moscow Olympics and Ethiopia beinga Soviet backed Communist Poilce State) the Ethiopians were not also experimented upon in some way. i hope those days were long ago but I am just not sure...
Where is the website with the pictures from the meet? or what is the address.
And that proves that his Ethiopian Athletes are using EPO. If Hermans has an athlete that takes drugs. then all his athletes are taking drugs. and also anyone from the country that has an athlete that is represented by Hermans is also dirty. So Adere is dirty as well.it seems like Americans are jelous because they suck at running. Jelousy is not the answer you pussies..
Dustin Hoffman wrote:
Wasn't there a story in the press recently of an American 400m runner, managed by Hermans, who is all tied in the Balco case ?
Usher wrote: . . . I can't help but thinking that we're seeing the results of "post EPO" oxygen-boosting drugs before the tests catch up. Geb's history is a little fishy: He runs breakthrough world records of 12:39 and mid-26s for 10K, then he can't come near those times (just when EPO testing comes to pass), and now all of a sudden he's running "those kind of times" again.
Give me a better reason.
Achilles injury, surgery, marathon preparation, the sheer difficulty of remaining in the performance stratosphere year after year . . . there are plenty of alternative reasons. But you're no doubt unwilling to entertain any of them because you've already made up your mind.
But you know what? Your fevered suspicions are irrelevant. The facts are all that matters, and the facts so far tell us there's no reason to believe Geb and Bekele have done anything but train very hard and race very fast. That is, unless you think that all awe-inspiring performances are necessarily the result of cheating. And if that's the case, you might as well foresake T&F for NASCAR. Have a ball, Bubba.
Kostre used to ply his trade back in the E Bloc days. You are seeing nothing but doped to the gills runners from Kenya and Ethiopia, and it is cowardice by officials who let this go on. Rosa, Hermens, Kostre all scream racism if anyone questions them. The race card holds strong in the West, with the media being what it is. Templeton kept throwing it out there when his dirty boy Lagat was caught red-handed. It also continues because so many Westerners have been brainwashed into being naive non-questioners, who believe that Africans would do no wrong. Or at least claim to believe that, to show that they aren't "racist".
I can't recall a single Ethiopian athlete ever testing positive for anything. Can you?
Or are you saying that a piss-poor country like Ethiopia is so pharmacologically sophisticated that they can always stay ahead of the testers while an advanced industrialized nation like the U.S. can't?
Then again, maybe you're right. There's just no way Abebe Bikila could have won an Oly marathon gold in his bare feet, then win another 4 years later. And Yifter -- come on. That guy had to have been blood doping. And Wolde . . .
But you're no doubt unwilling to entertain any of them because you've already made up your mind. >>
Go back to reading class, dipshit. Read the rest of what I've posted in this thread and you'll realize that I haven't conclusively made up my mind about anything.
I am not saying the Ethiopians are dirty, but I'm not naive enough to believe that the only possible explaination for what we're seeing is hard work and clean living. Jos Hermans is a shady character, and the best Ethiopians seem to all have him for their manager. That is a fact.
I grew up as a competitive swimmer on the fringes of national class in the 70s. I suppose you would have said the same thing to me when we weren't keeping up with those hard working East Germans.