Let's say every race was rabbited, who is the absolute fastest runners in the meet for each respective race?
Let's say every race was rabbited, who is the absolute fastest runners in the meet for each respective race?
coach bigfoot wrote:
Let's say every race is rabbited, who are the absolute fastest runners in the meet for each respective race?
Wow, sorry, I totally did not correct the horrible grammatical errors before I posted.
Ok I'll go:
Assuming all of these people are entered.
men
800: Symmonds, Jock, KD
1500: Lagat, Wheating, Dorian Ulrey
5000: Lagat, Solinsky, Rupp
10000: Rupp, Solinsky, Ritz
Marathon: Hall, Meb, Ritz
women
800: Montano, Vessey, Wright
1500: Wurth-Thomas, Uceny, Rowbury
5000: Flanagan, Fleshman, Huddle
10000: Flanagan, Goucher, Uhl
Marathon: Davila, Goucher, Kastor
coach bigfoot wrote:
Ok I'll go:
Assuming all of these people are entered.
men
800: Symmonds, Jock, KD
1500: Lagat, Wheating, Dorian Ulrey
5000: Lagat, Solinsky, Rupp
10000: Rupp, Solinsky, Ritz
Marathon: Hall, Meb, Ritz
women
800: Montano, Vessey, Wright
1500: Wurth-Thomas, Uceny, Rowbury
5000: Flanagan, Fleshman, Huddle
10000: Flanagan, Goucher, Uhl
Marathon: Davila, Goucher, Kastor
Symmonds wouldn't be there with 200 to go he would be too far back off KD's pace. I'd suspect Ritz wouldn't be in shape in time to run a time trialed marathon, although healthy for sure I could see him in the mix.
I don't think Rowbury would make it, probably Barringer. How could Uhl possibly be in the 10,000 mix? Definitely Davila.
No Centro?
Oversight??
Very col question and I've often wondered this myself.
I'd put a healthy Webb in the 1500 mix with Centro.
I am on your prediction chart and I do NOT want a pacer. I plan to lead the entire race, wire to wire.
In the 2011 USATF 1500 you had:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shiTVUZMAd0
Centro, Lagat, Manzano, Wheating
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JLwtse9oJQ
In Paris 2011 they placed:
Lagat, Manzano, Wheating, Centro
But after a year of experience and more training and seasoning, Centro may be the top placer in a rabbited race next year.
The Trials, as they were, obviously picked the best team.
I woud not be against USATF adding a 13th and 14th runner from those that missed the finals as designated rabbits.
I don't know if anyone would follow them, though. But the opportunity to go for a standard would be there.
1500 - Webb
Hank Moody wrote:
No Centro?
Oversight??
Not an oversight, all his success last year was off a huge last lap and good positioning. I guess if the field was strung out from pacing he would have good positioning then too.
Tough to think the bronze medalist wouldn't make it out no matter how the race unfolds. Unless he trips.
Hank Moody wrote:
Tough to think the bronze medalist wouldn't make it out no matter how the race unfolds. Unless he trips.
1987 - Jim Spivey - WC Bronze medal, 1500m
1988 - Jim Spivey, 4th at the US Olympic Trials
He didn't trip.
He did go on to set his lifetime PR that year.
2003 - David Krummenacker - Indoor World Champion- 800m
2004 - David Krummenacker, 4th at the US Olympic Trials
Look at Wheating. 2010 fastest American at 1500m, by far.
2011 - 4th at US Trials
coach bigfoot wrote:Let's say every race was rabbited, who is the absolute fastest runners in the meet for each respective race?I'd say the Kenyan's and Ethiopians would make hassenpfeffer out of the top 3.
the 800 is already rabbited
jockstrap wrote:
the 800 is already rabbited
Watch the 08 trials 800, the 3 who made it are all in last at one point. You, sir, are correct!
toro wrote:
Hank Moody wrote:Tough to think the bronze medalist wouldn't make it out no matter how the race unfolds. Unless he trips.
1987 - Jim Spivey - WC Bronze medal, 1500m
1988 - Jim Spivey, 4th at the US Olympic Trials
He didn't trip.
He did go on to set his lifetime PR that year.
2003 - David Krummenacker - Indoor World Champion- 800m
2004 - David Krummenacker, 4th at the US Olympic Trials
Look at Wheating. 2010 fastest American at 1500m, by far.
2011 - 4th at US Trials
Yes, clearly since other accomplished runners did not do well at the trials Centro's accomplishments are meaningless.
WERE/WOULD BE.
um..
Top 3 in no particular order-
800-not sure but no real difference, KD or Jock always rabbits.
1500-no difference, Lagat, Centro, Wheating
5k-no difference, Lagat, Rupp, Solinski
10k-no difference, Rupp, Solinski, Lagat if he runs, Teg.
Marathon-no difference, Hall, Meb, Ritz; rupp in future
Good points on Spivey Krumm.
Wheating example doesn't count for me though. The difference between having the fastest time in the US versus bringing back hardware from an international championship isn't even close.
Thanks for enlightening me though.
My guess is that the pacer wouldn't change much of anything. Remember that nobody has to go with the rabbit. The field would still run a slow and tactical race while the rabbit ran fast all by himself.
Adding another:
2007 - Alan Webb - no WC medal but USA Champ, fastest in the World at 1500m and one mile
2008 - 5th at US Trials
There was no championship in 2010 for Wheating to compete in.
Or
1991 - Carl Lewis wins WC and sets World Record
1992 - 6th at the US Trials
(off topic since the 100 isn't rabbitted)
Anyway, last year doesn't guaranty next year.
I also don't think rabbitted races alter the outcome very much.
And they really don't determine the best championship racer.