He had a great race, but when he looks back will he be seconding guessing not going with LL's surge? Their last 5K's were only a second difference.
Not judging, just pointing it out. I think they both ran great races.
He had a great race, but when he looks back will he be seconding guessing not going with LL's surge? Their last 5K's were only a second difference.
Not judging, just pointing it out. I think they both ran great races.
2nd half wrote:
He had a great race, but when he looks back will he be seconding guessing not going with LL's surge? Their last 5K's were only a second difference.
Not judging, just pointing it out. I think they both ran great races.
You should watch his post-race interview on flotrack.
thanks for that. So it would seem that he would like to run it again and try to cover the surge. I think he ran a very smart "team" race and was probably the best call. However if he was an individual...it would have been fun to see him try for the win.
Did he do enough to "get the monkey off his back?"
This is why Levins is a baller. No fear. Couldn't live with not knowing if he run with Lalang.
It will be interesting to see what happens in track with Derrick. Comments during flotrack interview make it sound like he realizes he needs to be more aggressive and go for wins...
cueexplanations wrote:
Did he do enough to "get the monkey off his back?"
haha, i caught that gawf as well.
not as bad as teg trying to nail rupp from behind though (larry rawson)
Wow, what a good interview! Everyone ought to listen to that one. It really captures the tension between trying to be patient and within oneself and on the other hand knowing when, and how, to let it all go and commit totally - mentally, physically, and emotionally.
Good luck in the future Chris. It would be wonderful to see someone as admirable as you succeed.
cbrb wrote:
Wow, what a good interview! Everyone ought to listen to that one. It really captures the tension between trying to be patient and within oneself and on the other hand knowing when, and how, to let it all go and commit totally - mentally, physically, and emotionally.
Good luck in the future Chris. It would be wonderful to see someone as admirable as you succeed.
Chris' interviews are always like that. By all appearances he is by far the smartest of the elite NCAA folks. I suspect that he will ultimately achieve far more in his real career than in his running career.
Part of the problem is that Stanford has underperformed so often as of late (Derrick's entire career) that he was reticent to push too hard and Lalang WAS pushing very hard at that point. His lead ballooned very quickly because the two guys that went with him were in the red zone and when they let him go they had to drop back in pace to recover. Note that Lalang's lead did grow steadily but not that rapidly compared to the rest of the lead group (e.g., vs Ahmed and probably Derrick).
Speaking of second halves (and noting that Derrick ran Lalang even over the last 5k and was faster over the last four, I think. Consider these results: A number of runners that had weak second 3km in the race.
12 756 Aliphine Tuliamuk JR Wichita State 9:53 19:57.7
13 542 Silje Fjortoft SR SMU 9:41 19:58.1
25 666 Risper Kimaiyo JR UTEP 9:52 20:12.7
37 140 Lydia Kosgei SR Eastern Kentucky 10:01 20:27.7
41 28 343 Ruth Senior SR New Mexico 10:02 20:31.3
52 35 7 Elvin Kibet SO Arizona 9:57 20:38.6
60 40 676 Nicky Akande SO Villanova 10:02 20:43.0
*113 629 Agnes Kemboi JR Texas Christian 10:19 21:08.6
117 153 Florence N'Getich JR Florida 10:01 21:11.1
229 193 468 Anne Kesselring JR Oregon 10:11 22:12.1
So anyone think Derrick will be a good pro runner? Seems a longshot with a 13:30 PR and already lots of good coaching and success.
Maybe try a half or full marathon just to see if there is any magic there.
He is 21 years old...lots of time to get better.
agip wrote:
So anyone think Derrick will be a good pro runner? Seems a longshot with a 13:30 PR and already lots of good coaching and success.
Maybe try a half or full marathon just to see if there is any magic there.
Tracktest wrote:
It will be interesting to see what happens in track with Derrick. Comments during flotrack interview make it sound like he realizes he needs to be more aggressive and go for wins...
They did an interview with him after track where he said almost exactly the same thing about the track 10k. something like "I need to stop being cautious and go with the big move if I want to win it." It seems like he knows he needs to commit to that big surge, but has never done it.
Lot's of good coaching? Dunn has not done a good job with that Stanford group.
-They've underperformed badly the past two years at nationals.
-Heath, although awesome when he was on, was abysmal when things didnt go his way
-Derrick missed major chunks of time every year
-The Rosas haven't done much at all and were all world in HS
With the talent that flows through the Farm, I think Dunn is one of the most underperforming coaches out there.
Of course if you compare him to his peers across the bay, arguably the worst major D1 coaching job in the country, he isn't so bad.
Dude, of course he has a serious chance of being a great pro runner. Of our top pros, I'd say only Rupp and Solinsky were more qualified when they graduated. I'm pretty sure he had a better career than Teg and definitely better than Bumbi, who are both in the top 5 pro 5000 runners. Plus, Derrick still has another season of track to go. I'd like to see him join that Schumaker group.
not quite as good wrote:
Dude, of course he has a serious chance of being a great pro runner. Of our top pros, I'd say only Rupp and Solinsky were more qualified when they graduated. I'm pretty sure he had a better career than Teg and definitely better than Bumbi, who are both in the top 5 pro 5000 runners. Plus, Derrick still has another season of track to go. I'd like to see him join that Schumaker group.
well, we'll see - to your argument, OTC elite does have several 5000 guys and a couple - Pifer and Chelimo - haven't broken 13:30 yet. But on the other hand, I had never heard of Pifer or Chelimo before I looked on the OTC Elite website. They can't be making any actual money.
Just hard to imagine where Derrick is going to get 30 seconds in the 5000 after serious running for 6 years.
Stanford coaching can't be that bad - they finished 5th this year, and Derrick was 2nd individual.
Maybe his senior spring he can put the books down and step up his training. I dunno.
agip wrote:
well, we'll see - to your argument, OTC elite does have several 5000 guys and a couple - Pifer and Chelimo - haven't broken 13:30 yet. But on the other hand, I had never heard of Pifer or Chelimo before I looked on the OTC Elite website. They can't be making any actual money.
Just hard to imagine where Derrick is going to get 30 seconds in the 5000 after serious running for 6 years.
Stanford coaching can't be that bad - they finished 5th this year, and Derrick was 2nd individual.
Maybe his senior spring he can put the books down and step up his training. I dunno.
Solinsky had a PR of 13:27 when he graduated college. So was Ritzenhein's. Tegenkamp's was 13:25. Derrick's is currently 13:29, and he still has another outdoor season left.
chauncey wrote:
Solinsky had a PR of 13:27 when he graduated college. So was Ritzenhein's.
Yikes. My bad.
Ritz ran 13:27 as a freshman, like Derrick.