Does the Womens team date the Mens team?

whottt wrote:

Do the members of woman's XC team often date members of the mens team? It seems as though the fit and attractive female runners would go for bigger more muscular guys like Soccer or Water polo players...

Don't know about water polo players, but the women on my team liked the baseball, soccer, basketball, and lacrosse players. Once in a while, a girl might date a swimmer or wrestler. No one dated the cross country guys. However, some of the girls dated sprinters on the track team.

FAT SESH

I dated one of the women on the XC team my senior year of XC. Generally if you are a likable person and are capable of having an intelligent conversation the women will like you and date you the same as anyone else.

No teamcest, EVER!

Like I said, it depends on whether you are a likable person and are capable of having an intelligent conversation. Some self-confidence and self-respect also scores a lot of points, but chances are if you are even a half-decent runner you already have that.

Stuck with match.com wrote:

THATS NOT TRUE! Women are very shallow and runners don't appeal to them. Women will go on and on about how looks don't really matter, but guess what women LIE! Women are evil manipulating creatures who get what they want.

Only truth in the statement noted above:

Women will go on and on about how looks don't really matter, but guess what women LIE (about that)!

Carry on.

I dated a girl on my team during college and several of my teammates were also dating girls on the team. The thing about runner girls is they are usually not very good looking so competition is low - they generally are emaciated and have no 'shape' (boobs).

Girls are definitely lying when they say looks don't matter. Only the ugly guys believe that shit.

I dated one or two guys on the men's team, briefly, while running collegiately. They were easily the most emotionally immature men I've ever dealt with in my life. And still are. Not particularly attractive either.

I would recommend the 200-400 meter guys though. In my experience they were hotter, smarter, and more emotionally grounded than the XC boys.

In the high school i coached for they dated all the time

Never had any issues.

We used to say that the dating wasn't the issue. It was the breaking up.

Oregon in the 80s wrote:

I dated one or two guys on the men's team, briefly, while running collegiately. They were easily the most emotionally immature men I've ever dealt with in my life. And still are. Not particularly attractive either.

I would recommend the 200-400 meter guys though. In my experience they were hotter, smarter, and more emotionally grounded than the XC boys.

Damn you the town bicycle.

fght wrote:

Damn you the town bicycle.

Try a little punctuation next time. Might help the delivery...

Oregon in the 80s wrote:

I dated one or two guys on the men's team, briefly, while running collegiately. They were easily the most emotionally immature men I've ever dealt with in my life. And still are. Not particularly attractive either.

I would recommend the 200-400 meter guys though. In my experience they were hotter, smarter, and more emotionally grounded than the XC boys.

Smarter? The rest I believe.

wepmad wrote:

Oregon in the 80s wrote:

I dated one or two guys on the men's team, briefly, while running collegiately. They were easily the most emotionally immature men I've ever dealt with in my life. And still are. Not particularly attractive either.

I would recommend the 200-400 meter guys though. In my experience they were hotter, smarter, and more emotionally grounded than the XC boys.

Smarter? The rest I believe.

You beat me to it. Smarter??

Yep, based on my experience, long sprint guys were smarter. Better students in college, more successful professionally in the decades after college, better character and intellect overall.

The XC guys on the other hand, in the pool I unfortunately stumbled into, are now; (exhibit A) living off handouts from in-laws as he can't hold a job, while repeatedly getting "caught" screwing up in every aspect of his life -personal and professional, his wife claims everything was handed to him on a silver platter, yet he still can't pull it together, (exhibit B) self-made diabetic that bought into beer and wine distribution, presumably because he hadn't sufficiently decreased his life span as an alcoholic in his 20s and 30's, also difficulty maintaining non-fraudulent professional life in finance, (exhibit C) employed by a Seattle amusement park after parents babied him through 7+ years of university life, then couldn't cover his own family's medical costs and went looking for handouts from exhibits A and B, who were flush at the time related to the fraudulent finance racket they were running, and (exhibit D) inherited a pile of money from an estranged parent's wrongful death lawsuit, and proceeded to use it to feed his drug and alcohol habits until they morphed into full blown mental illness and a host of additional preventable health disasters.

With one exception, the distance guy I eventually married, the XC guys might have had some street smarts, gleaned from growing up in bad areas or from corrupt older family members, but they were functionally left wingers on the bell curve.

Suzy Favor to Scott Fry:

"OMG, you are SUCH a little four-eyed dweeb! Gag me with a spoon!! NO WAY!!"

Suzy Favor to Badger pitcher Mark Hamilton:

"Pick me up at 7:00."

What I'd love to know is WHAT THE F*CK? That's the saddest post I've ever read. My former XC teammates are in the foreign service; starting non-profits in their hometowns; opening vineyards; completing med school or practicing medicine; and, well, other stuff. Basically, as a free-lance writer, I'm the effing loser in this crowd. I just can't wrap my mind around the litany of failures (both tragic and self-inflicted) from your post, and I can't reconcile these outcomes with the lives of my college teammates. I mean, distance-running requires some measure of discipline and honesty, right?

Also, how do you know all this stuff? The line that throws me off is "difficulty maintaining non-fraudulent professional life in finance" - it's just so specific (and also weirdly contrived). It's possible that some of my former teammates aren't thriving on vineyards and in their little non-profits, but I have no idea where they are! The ones who f*cked up disappeared to me; I didn't go out of my way to track the decline of my former friends. To me, your intimate knowledge of your old teammates' failures is strange - and, frankly, implausible. The first exhibit, with the wife complaining about her husband's being handed everything on silver platters - who does this? Who goes around town complaining to embittered former teammates of her husband that he's been handed everything on a silver platter?

I don't know. You're a funny writer, but it just seems like you've gone too far trying to make a point. Also, were all these traits (dependency, inauthenticity, addictive personality, etc.) expressed when you were their teammate? 'Cause that was the question - did men's and women's teams date (with the implied why or why not)? Not, Would you please spin bizarre yarns about the screw-ups you maybe knew back in college? We'll see. As it is, color me skeptical.

Oh, and your 400m buddies may all be grand successes in finance, but they live hollow lives.

Date...I married a gal from the women's team.

Actually TK, distance running, or the *appearance* of success in this sport, particularly in the Internet age, doesn't require honesty, and really only requires a small dose of discipline for a short time each day.

I don't have time to address all your WTFs?? in detail, but in response to your questions about whether I knew these guys were degenerates back then, and how I know they're degenerates now...

No, back when we were in college, I didn't know how bad they were. In hindsight, yes, there were signs of problems, particularly signs of the early stages of alcoholism for several of them, but no, I had no idea how awful they would become later in life. They did not advertise their backalley, underworld dealings to me when we were acquainted in college.

How do I know what they've become? Actually, I did not keep track of them for many years, and had/have very deliberately cut one of them out of my life completely, when a few years back one in the group contacted me, and in the course of reminiscing, talked a lot of smack about his former teammates, I presume in an effort to elevate my opinion of himself.

Unfortunately, time told, through the reports of more reliable friends and acquaintances, public records, and police investigation (long story), it came to my awareness that this guy was as big a fraud and disaster as the rest of the bunch.

And for the record, the successful 400 meterish guys I referred to do not work in finance, it was the degenerate distance guys that do/did, but I agree with your statement about finance being a hollow/shallow pursuit.

Sounds to me like you have something against distance guys - and basically demonize them all in your mind. people are people. some distance guys are awkward nerdy quiet insecure etc etc (all the standard sh!t that turns women off)

then there are distance guys who are comfortable in their own skin, have no problem being social, do fine professionally, and can attract hot women.

in the same light, some sprinters can be insecure and awkward as fck - just as some of them can be cool, confident, emotionally grounded, etc

point is - as fun and mentally satisfying as it is to establish all these categories of characteristics people SHOULD have based on their endeavors - don't write them off. Quite frankly, it's just petty.