Oregon, William & Mary Men Out, Providence Women Out

tradition dies wrote:

All 3 are institutions at the NCAA meet.

When is the last time they did not make it?

I heard from another coach apparently incorrectly that W&M had made 16 straight.

In reality, you can find the results here:

It looks like Oregon last missed it in 2005 and William & Mary in 2004. The Providence women first made it in 1989 and have never not made it since then. 22 in a row.

This is from W&M's website. It looks like in 2004 they qualified a team, but only finished 4 guys due to food poisoning. Qualified every year since 1997. Pretty impressive streak.

1963 17th 447

1964 20th

500

1966 18th

380

1968 15th 320

1970 10th 366

1971 17th 407

1972 11th 325

1973 4th 174

1975 23rd 533

1990 15th 325

1994 18th 378

1995 17th 398

1997 9th 274

1998 13th 375

1999 13th 371

2000 10th 363

2001 16th 420

2002 14th 407

2003 31st 849

2004 DNF Only four runners finished due to food poisoning

2005 22nd 518

2006 8th 292

2007 15th 432

2008 16th 412

2009 5th 226

2010 19th 420

We should be like the IAAF is moving towards and allow time trial XC races until the last day.

Unless I'm missing year I think the much bigger news is Arkansas is not going for the first time since 1973.

Crazy. No Arkansas or Oregon.

Truly a shock that this is the year the Providence women lost their streak...all season it seemed like they were podium conteneders. 3 former all americans on the varsity squad along with a very good Laura Nagel. Anyone know what happened with Sisson and Greany today?

I wasn't aware of their streak. I knew Wisconsin has qualified ever year since 1972(when Regional qualifying started) but I didn't know Arkansas never missed an NCAA meet in all those years.

Arkansas has their work cut out for them to get back. They always had a stigma for not being an academically well regarded school. I guess McDonnell bringing in the foreigners is what's missing. Without that they will probably not be a power threat in cross country anymore.

Every powerhouse that endures has a standout quality that never seems to go away. With Oregon, its "Track Town USA", Stanford is the academic reputation and weather, Colorado is Boulder. Wisconsin has maintained tradition no matter who the coach is. Plus its a great city and moderately highly regarded state school.

Arkansas had McDonnell.

You forgot about Alabama (RTR) who had an embarrasing perfomance in their home field despite been the 4 times South regionals defending champs.

Emily sisson was sick, shelby greany bad foot, uninspired races from the rest except for charlotte ffrench-O'. Wouldn't doubt senioritis from upperclasswomen.

It actually is the fourth time since 2000 that Oregon has missed the NCAA Final.

break it up wrote:

Every powerhouse that endures has a standout quality that never seems to go away. With Oregon, its "Track Town USA", Stanford is the academic reputation and weather, Colorado is Boulder. Wisconsin has maintained tradition no matter who the coach is. Plus its a great city and moderately highly regarded state school.

Arkansas had McDonnell.

....and McDonnell hated to travel by plane unless absolutely necessary(if memory serves me correct). This is just complete arrogance by these guys. They've got a big budget and have the resources to go to at least one of these bigger meets to get some points. They are getting ready to break ground on an $80 million indoor practice football facility.

They're going to have to reload with guys from outside the states to get back up there.

fghrunner wrote:

Truly a shock that this is the year the Providence women lost their streak...all season it seemed like they were podium conteneders. 3 former all americans on the varsity squad along with a very good Laura Nagel. Anyone know what happened with Sisson and Greany today?

Greany wasn't even going to race regionals per her blog, but with Sisson getting sick I guess they had to run her. She lost like 5 weeks of running with only cross training, so fitness not there. Truly a shame the season ended as it did.

fghrunner wrote:

Truly a shock that this is the year the Providence women lost their streak...all season it seemed like they were podium conteneders.

Providence absolutely could have won the whole thing if things had gone right for them, and it wouldn't have required anything more extraordinary than a normal day at the office. To show how good they were with everybody healthy, Sisson and Greany were their 1 and 4 scorers at Paul Short, where they got 3rd and 12th to combine for 15 points - equal to their 2-3 scorers, Nagel and Davidson, who were 6th and 9th. They then ran at Wisconsin without Sisson and Greany. Davidson and Nagel went 14-19 there. All Sisson and Greany would have had to do for Providence to win that meet would be to both finish in the top 34. But a COMBINED score of 34 for those two would have been really likely based on their previous meet. They then would have won the meet by around 35 points. And this was before Ffrench-O'Carroll began running so well (only 99th at Wisco, but their top finisher by regionals).

They also would have beaten Villanova at conference if Greany had placed 16th (actually subpar for her if healthy), but she was running on an injured foot and came home 25th. Who knows what they'd do against FSU this season, but with everybody healthy and having no more than their average day, they would have beaten last year's champs.

Of course, this all assumes everything goes swimmingly for Providence and all the other teams have exactly the same results they had throughout the season, so nothing is a given. Things obviously DIDN'T go swimmingly for Providence. But it shows what might have been with better luck. I've heard Greany's original injury problem was not running related, so it really did come down to bad luck.

Then again, getting at least 5 solid runners to the starting line healthy is all part of the game. That goes to show that you usually have to have a deeper team than they've got this season or you're forced to rely on NOTHING going wrong, and that rarely happens. Their men had the same problem in 2005. They had a couple of key injuries and no real backup guys, so they ended up sending 3 individuals to NCs but the team didn't make it. With the other two guys healthy, they probably would have been top 10 and maybe on the podium.

Gotta have some depth or a lot of luck on your side. Remember those UTEP and Alabama teams that had 3 or 4 Kenyan ringers who were top 40 types but their last scorer was a 26:00 8k guy?

Hey Bud wrote:

break it up wrote:

Every powerhouse that endures has a standout quality that never seems to go away. With Oregon, its "Track Town USA", Stanford is the academic reputation and weather, Colorado is Boulder. Wisconsin has maintained tradition no matter who the coach is. Plus its a great city and moderately highly regarded state school.

Arkansas had McDonnell.

....and McDonnell hated to travel by plane unless absolutely necessary(if memory serves me correct). This is just complete arrogance by these guys. They've got a big budget and have the resources to go to at least one of these bigger meets to get some points. They are getting

ready to break ground on an $80 million indoor practice football facility.

They're going to have to reload with guys from outside the states to get back up there.

Actually 38Million, but whatever. They will NOT get back up there until Mr. Arrogant is gone. Extremely sad day for Alumni and Razorback fans. Tried my best to give the new coach the benefit of the doubt(filling big shoes) but this is the last nail in the coffin for me. I shall be joining the haters.

Spice girls wrote:

Hey Bud wrote:

....and McDonnell hated to travel by plane unless absolutely necessary(if memory serves me correct). This is just complete arrogance by these guys. They've got a big budget and have the resources to go to at least one of these bigger meets to get some points. They are getting

ready to break ground on an $80 million indoor practice football facility.

They're going to have to reload with guys from outside the states to get back up there.

Actually 38Million, but whatever. They will NOT get back up there until Mr. Arrogant is gone. Extremely sad day for Alumni and Razorback fans. Tried my best to give the new coach the benefit of the doubt(filling big shoes) but this is the last nail in the coffin for me. I shall be joining the haters.

You haters will never be satisfied with any Arkansas coach who isn't McDonnell. Buchnam just won the SEC title two weeks ago. These boards are silent when Arkansas wins under Buck, and deafening when they lose. He is only in his 4th year.

Can you imagine another sport where winning the SEC over and over again inspires cries for your firing? Arkansas losers are worse than the Oregon losers who ran off Martin Smith.

Reality check223 wrote:

break it up wrote:

Arkansas has their work cut out for them to get back. They always had a stigma for not being an academically well regarded school.

2 + 2 = 4 at every school

At Arkansas that's a question on the final for Advanced Mathematics.

This is really sad for the Providence women. The talk all season was that if they could get a fifth runner, they would win nationals. Now that fifth runner is there, and she ran as the number one at regionals! But Greany was WAY back (she was 3rd here last years).

Probably beating themselves up now - they thought they wouldn't win the big dance without Sisson healthy, but now they're not even going! And Emily Sisson, definitely a top five contender, has no chance to go individually (which I'm sure they weren't ever thinking would happen).

Very, very sad indeed. I feel for them. Guess that's why it's so important to stay healthy.

26mi235 wrote:

It actually is the fourth time since 2000 that Oregon has missed the NCAA Final.

Exactly. It isn't the 1970s anymore. Oregon has been very inconsistent the last 15 years.

Reality 101 wrote:

26mi235 wrote:

It actually is the fourth time since 2000 that Oregon has missed the NCAA Final.

Exactly. It isn't the 1970s anymore. Oregon has been very inconsistent the last 15 years.

Buddy, UO dominated in the 70s with the great Pre at the helm.