Midwest

OK State - 42 (3,4,5,6,24)

Oklahoma - 45 (2,9,10,11,13)

Plus Oklahoma 20 and 21, that is a deep team. OK State is going to get destroyed at Nationals if they don't get a better 5th man. Not having Girma is killing them.

Team results?

haha YO wrote:OK State is going to get destroyed at Nationals if they don't get a better 5th man. Not having Girma is killing them.

I don't see them getting destroyed. Their top four could give #5 a 40-point lead.

The Regionals are not important for the teams that already are certain of running in Terre Haute. I guarantee you that Fernandez, Lowe, Farrell, etc., were not running close to all out.

webby wrote:

haha YO wrote:OK State is going to get destroyed at Nationals if they don't get a better 5th man. Not having Girma is killing them.

I don't see them getting destroyed. Their top four could give #5 a 40-point lead.

their top 4 will give them a bigger boost at nationals, though their 5th will also be a bigger drag. kind of a wash there.

Montesquieu wrote:

The Regionals are not important for the teams that already are certain of running in Terre Haute. I guarantee you that Fernandez, Lowe, Farrell, etc., were not running close to all out.

Those guys don't matter. You better beleive their #5, 6 and 7 were running all out. Those are the guys that are going to matter come nationals and today OK States looked pretty poor.

webby wrote:

haha YO wrote:OK State is going to get destroyed at Nationals if they don't get a better 5th man. Not having Girma is killing them.

I don't see them getting destroyed. Their top four could give #5 a 40-point lead.

No way in hell OK States top 4 scores 40 points better than Wisconsins top 4. You put today results in a large meet like nationals and Oklahoma would probably beat OK State.

1 Oklahoma State 42 3 4 5 6 24 33 39

Total Time: 2:37:25.29

Average: 31:29.06

2 Oklahoma 45 2 9 10 11 13 20 21

Total Time: 2:37:34.45

Average: 31:30.89

3 Tulsa 119 15 23 25 26 30 31 96

Total Time: 2:39:26.74

Average: 31:53.35

4 Minnesota 128 1 14 22 45 46 61 107

Total Time: 2:39:43.68

Average: 31:56.74

5 Illinois 156 12 16 35 43 50 54 68

Total Time: 2:40:39.60

Average: 32:07.92

6 Iowa State 182 18 28 29 52 55 78 86

Total Time: 2:41:17.78

Average: 32:15.56

7 Missouri 210 19 40 42 53 56 97 148

Total Time: 2:42:07.18

Average: 32:25.44

8 Kansas 219 32 34 38 57 58 91 143

Total Time: 2:42:14.93

Average: 32:26.99

9 Iowa 275 8 17 70 87 93 124 149

Total Time: 2:43:56.10

Average: 32:47.22

10 Southern Illinois 300 37 41 69 74 79 100

Total Time: 2:44:54.86

Average: 32:58.98

11 Loyola (Ill.) 302 27 48 72 75 80 119 129

Total Time: 2:44:57.43

Average: 32:59.49

12 Drake 322 36 62 63 71 90 121 125

Total Time: 2:45:21.57

Average: 33:04.32

13 U.M.K.C. 387 7 51 84 108 137 138 151

Total Time: 2:46:59.21

Average: 33:23.85

Well his point was that even if those top guys score really low points, you can still easily be sunk by a slow 5th man who scores by himself 4 times the sum of the top 4.

The timing company corrected the results a few mins ago. OU is looking great for Nationals. Remember this was a 10K. 7 guys in the top 25.

1 Mead, Hassan SR Minnesota 31:16.87 1

2 Schwab, Kevin SR Oklahoma 31:22.10 2

3 Lowe, Colby SR Oklahoma State 31:22.87 3

4 Kipchirchir, Shadrack SO Oklahoma State 31:22.89 4

5 Fernandez, German SR Oklahoma State 31:22.90 5

6 Farrell, Tom SO Oklahoma State 31:23.03 6

7 Ayabei, Cosmas JR U.M.K.C. 31:23.46 7

8 Thode, Jeff JR Iowa 31:23.67 8

9 Kogel, Bill JR Oklahoma 31:27.91 9

10 Sudbury, Jeremy SR Oklahoma 31:33.34 10

11 Alex, George SR Oklahoma 31:33.86 11

12 Riddle, Jim SR Illinois 31:34.79 12

13 Williams, Kevin JR Oklahoma 31:37.09 13

14 Harasyn, Eric SR Oklahoma 31:37.24 14

15 Gagnon, Pieter JR Minnesota 31:37.79 15

16 Pinheiro, Paulo SR Tulsa 31:39.53 16

17 Hebert, Jordan JR Illinois 31:40.64 17

18 Holmes, Nick JR Iowa 31:41.50 18

19 Loy, Rico SR Iowa State 31:42.70 19

20 Legg, Hayden SO Missouri 31:44.32 20

21 Sherf, Aaron SR Oklahoma 31:44.56 21

22 Larsen, Andrew SO Minnesota 31:49.99 22

23 Davies, Gerraint JR Tulsa 31:51.27 23

24 Clarkson, Fabian FR Oklahoma State 31:53.60 24

25 Stones, Carl SR Tulsa 31:55.15 25

Is that Oklahoma State's full team or did they sit anyone?

If it's their full team they are in trouble.

Wisconsin is only 5 deep but if that is OSU's team they are 4 team. A 3rd team could be a factor with one blow up from Wisconsin.

Can you please post the women's results? Thanks much.

not smart wrote:

Is that Oklahoma State's full team or did they sit anyone?

If it's their full team they are in trouble.

Wisconsin is only 5 deep but if that is OSU's team they are 4 team. A 3rd team could be a factor with one blow up from Wisconsin.

Honestly BYU and Oklahoma seem to be teams that could step up. Colorado as well.

this link has the results.

ok state sat two of their guys how many did Oklahoma sit if anyone?

haha YO wrote:

You better beleive their #5, 6 and 7 were running all out. Those are the guys that are going to matter come nationals and today OK States looked pretty poor.

Looks a lot like last year to me. Clarkson, half a minute off the pack is right about where Manilafasha was in 2010, and if Manilafasha had been their #5 they still would have crushed the field by 100 points.

Manilafasha was 15 seconds behind Farrell at Big 12s, so I'm guessing he's the #5 this year, likely to improve on last year's performance (#54). If he is in the top 50, OSU may be beatable, but they won't be destroyable.

webby wrote:

Looks a lot like last year to me. Clarkson, half a minute off the pack is right about where Manilafasha was in 2010, and if Manilafasha had been their #5 they still would have crushed the field by 100 points.

Manilafasha was 15 seconds behind Farrell at Big 12s, so I'm guessing he's the #5 this year, likely to improve on last year's performance (#54). If he is in the top 50, OSU may be beatable, but they won't be destroyable.

OK State sat the only two runners that will really matter at Nats - Manilafasha and Stubs. No way to know how capable either one is right now but these regional results mean very, very little. About all that today's results do is confirm what was already known - The top four are in at least decent shape (but will they be able to beat Wisco's top five remains unknown); and their hopes rest on Mani and Stubs.

Dave Smith's view: http://www.flotrack.org/video/515346-Coach-Dave-Smith-of-Oklahoma-State-2011-Midwest-Regional