Survey: Are Salazar's or Schumacher's groups doping?

A number of people have been saying that Mile Larue (OP) has been doping and providing PED's to other runners.. Let's take a survey to see what other opinons are? I believe, yes!

My vote is no for both.

Ask Rohatinsky why he quit not only Salazar's group, but the whole sport.

ludaa wrote:

Salazars group is, yes with out a doubt, look at the huge improvements made by his runners from a couple of months of training with him. that just doesnt happen.

Schumachers, no they are not. Most of his runners have gotten worse since joining his group. Teg has not improved. Lomong has gotten worse. Same with shalane. there are the same huge improvements with his group as there are with salazars...

Teg has been with Schumacher since freshman year of college, pretty sure he's improved a bit in that time...

I hope and do believe that neither group is doping (illegally) however I'm sure both are pushing to the closest possible point below the line of doping.

Unfortunately with the success of the runners, it is suspect that they are. Unfortunately I do have doubts. Albeit I truelly hope that they aren't.

So...

Salazar 25% chance doping.

Schumacher 25% chance doping.

No systematic program in place in either camp, but Salazar's aggressive blood testing, thyroid supplementation makes it clear to athletes he expects them to pursue every advantage they can get away with. Tacit complicity. I'd be shocked if any post college elite hasn't at least experimented with PEDS at some point.

qiuet wrote:

The biggest case against Salazar is Farah. Can anyone else name an African who went from 13:07 to 12:53 between the ages of 26 and 28?

Mark Kiptoo. Except he went from 13:06 to 12:53 between the ages of 32 and 34.

But your post doesn't acknowledge that Farah had already improved to 12:57 in 2010 before beginning to work with Salazar.

Solinsky going from 13:12 to 12:55 in one year is not suspicious but Farah going from 12:57 to 12:53 is?

Salazar's group is very open about what they do.

Schumacher's group is a black hole. If anyone were doping, it'd probably be the black hole.

Neither group is doping.

Ever hear Rupp speak ? ... He's roboTripping for sure.

Only those who waste time on debating this crap could only be successful by cheating. Grow up and work your ass off at something, anything productive.

yes and no

splits wrote:

Solinsky going from 13:12 to 12:55 in one year is not suspicious but Farah going from 12:57 to 12:53 is?

Salazar's group is very open about what they do.

Schumacher's group is a black hole. If anyone were doping, it'd probably be the black hole.

Solisnky ran 13:12 in 2007 the summer after college. Having three years training like a professional runner instead of like a college runner is going to really help one improve.

I think Ritz is probably on testosterone. In his flotrack interview, his beard looked a lot thicker than normal. I wouldn't be surprised if that whole group has some shenanigans. Also what was the piece about "Alberto needs to take a finger prick to get some blood values"?

Yeah highly suspect to say the least. I know Alberto is a known science junkie, but they could also just be taking these things to figure out how to beat the drug tests.

Who knows anything these days anymore though.

I believe Alberto Salazar would be honestly surprised and shocked if one of his elite athletes were to test positive. And I don't think it's going to happen.

Sloop John B wrote:

I think Ritz is probably on testosterone. In his flotrack interview, his beard looked a lot thicker than normal.

You mean thicker than when he is clean shaven, which he normally is? Thicker than when he won Footlocker?

The stuff people will build conspiracy theories on is amazing.

Yes and Yes.

He is measuring lactate levels in the blood....

yeah that's exactly what they want you to think.