canada, japan, etc - these aren't countries where there are very few runners
canada, japan, etc - these aren't countries where there are very few runners
Prolly cause they're smarter than the U.S..
Smell the coffee wrote:
Prolly cause they're smarter than the U.S..
As is evidenced by their clearly superior Olympic results.
because a trial is not the best way to put together a successful olympic team
rather than pick a team on who performs in a particular meet months before the big meet, they pick it based on the full body of factors determining who has the best chance to perform when it actually matters...by selection committee
the good, more flexibility to account for uncontrollable factors affecting a trial...illness, injury, etc... that would not affect ability to do well months later
the bad, possibility for extreme politics and corruption
I like the trial because it makes being an olympian something to be proud of...its something you earn not something you are given
but because it is a trial...a means to an end not an end unto itself, there should be some flexibility for who gets to participate in the trial, which is why im also in favor of moves like letting goucher into the 10k in 08
perfect system is in the US right now
I'm betting its just not cost effective to hold trials. They would lose money holding the event. Better for Canada to put the money into tar sands.
wzsrfgthjk wrote:
canada, japan, etc - these aren't countries where there are very few runners
So many countries, or do you mean so few countries?
Many people have been dismayed with the OTs being held in out of the way no-name places the past three or four times. But I think it's the best system for a non-majors. Sure who remebers an OT winner ;-) You have to medal at the WCs or Olys to be remembered in our sport.
hmmmmmmmmmmm wrote:
I like the trial because it makes being an olympian something to be proud of...its something you earn not something you are given
no one is ever GIVEN a spot to the Olympics. Whether it's a trials system or a selection committee, every runner that goes to the Olympics has earned it through displaying the results necessary to be selected
Except Bejing has influence over the U.S. T&F Olympic Trials nowadays through John Chaplain and their proxies at Nike.
The US does trials because things are so litigious. If the selectors were allowed to try and exercise some judgement people would keep suing them...
I think most of them don't have a large number of people who can qualify anyway. So they set a standard and if 1, 2, or 3 people make it, that's their team.
I like the trial system but I remember Carl Lewis being sick for the trials and healthy at the Olympics- where he didn't run and his replacement on the 4x1 dropped the baton.
Our current system is a dinosaur dating from the days when there was no Olympic standards, or the Olympic standards were considerably weaker than they are today. I've thought, for a long time now, that the Trials qualifying standard ought to be the Olympic A standard. How long have I thought this? Since the 2000 Olympic marathon trials were concluded.
The idea that a committee can choose the correct people to represent the country at the olympics is insane. A committee would be comprised of politicians and USATF board members; you think that those guys are going to make good decisions about... anything?
No system for selecting athletes is perfect. However, the trials system is the most reasonable, least bullshit way to do it that I can think of.
In particular, why doesn't Kenya have a trials for their marathon team and Ethiopia for their teams?
They are too deep and run too many races where their top guys don't go head to head.
Kenya has one guy that is the World Champion, One guy that is the World Record holder and two additional guys that have run faster than those two on Boston's course.
Plus a few others that have won major races and others that may actually peak next year.
How do you select three guys from that without having them just race each other?
Ethiopia in the 10,000 - One is World Champ, One guy is Bekele, and you have Merga, Shihine and at least three guys with Geb in their name plus up and comers.
Again, how do you select three guys from that without having them just race each other?
It doesn't have to be a national trials, just have then in the same race.
Pick from the London marathon and the 10,000 in Hengelo or something like that.
Head to head racing should determine the teams.
If they only have 1-3 people with the A standard it's easiest just to send those people than to hold a trials.
Head to head racing is important, but rarely produces the best possible team and a committee is likely to overlook an up and coming talent. It would be cool to see a Trials that took the top two and the third chosen by committee. If that were the case, our 2008 team would have been Hall, Ritz and Meb. My race, Meb gets left out, and by committee Ritz would have been left out.
It's just the best way to get a team together w/o the stench of corruption. Do you want someone left off because they run for Sketchers instead of Nike?
It can be a cruel system but I think people respect the process, as an athlete don't you want it to be decided on the track?
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Because for the most part, whoever has the fastest PR is often not the person who wins a slow, tactical Olympic race. An often-just-as-slow Trials race helps us see who the best tactical racers are: these are the people with the best chance to medal.
Example: Centro had something like the 5th best 1500 time in the US this year, and he was even further down the list going into USATF. Yet he is the World Championship bronze medalist, while mister 3:30.90 Wheating couldn't even make it out of the first qualifying round.
An Engineer wrote:
The idea that a committee can choose the correct people to represent the country at the olympics is insane. A committee would be comprised of politicians and USATF board members; you think that those guys are going to make good decisions about... anything?
No system for selecting athletes is perfect. However, the trials system is the most reasonable, least bullshit way to do it that I can think of.
I think it's the most fair, but not the most reasonable. It doesn't make any sense to me that Ryan Hall, clearly America's top male marathoner the last four years, is required to fight for a spot.