Could anyone run 4k in 10 mins

Wow are those the real splits for Geb and Bekele?

They could have gone a few seconds faster considering that smooth negative splitting.

Where's Ventolin when you need him???

Suspicious wrote:

Where's Ventolin when you need him???

Inevitably someone says this, then he shows up and calls everyone idiots and morons. Does he compulsively search for his name, or are you a sock puppet?

4k in 10 wrote:

Kenenisa Bekele (2004)- 12:37.35 (2:33.24, 2:32.23, 2:31.87, 2:30.59, 2:29.42)

Bekele's 1000-5000 in 10:04.11 with negative splits every 1000 is pretty telling. I'd bet he could've run right 9:58-9:59 if he had run a perfectly even 4000m race right at his peak.

Suspicious wrote:

Wow are those the real splits for Geb and Bekele?

They could have gone a few seconds faster considering that smooth negative splitting.

Where's Ventolin when you need him???

Ventolin has pointed that out quite often lately, usually in discussions about various runners' 3000 capabilities, and people usually jump all over him for daring to suggest that anyone can be capable of running faster than their PRs.

If you consider Komen's 5000m splits (per 1000m)

12:39.74 (2:32.7, 2:32.7, 2:31.9, 2:31.21, 2:31.21

and his 3000m WR (per 1000m)

7:20.67 (2:25.9-2:27.2-2:27.5)

and his 3218m (2 mile) WR splits, which were (per 800m):

7:58.61 (2:00.4, 1:58, 1:58.3, 2:01.9-last 818m so 1:59 pace)

You have to figure he could have been able to string 4 2:30's in that kind of shape.

10:00.21 is the world best for 4000 meters.

Source? Who ran it?

Really? Where did you get that? If so that's a phenomenal time for a distance that's never run.

Wondering if steve "red" just added the 3000 and 5000 records together and divided by 2?

that would be 9:59.01, so I hope not.

If he used Komen's PRs, it comes out to 10:00.205

Bingo! Mystery solved. I was bored yesterday.

Suspicious wrote:Wow are those the real splits for Geb and Bekele?

They could have gone a few seconds faster considering that smooth negative splitting

you don't get more than ~1s improvement by flattening out km splits

however, if anyone dug up the lap splits, you do get much more variability & i'd hazard a guess, without knowledge of the lap splits ( albeit geb's video is on youtube & someone coud check them if they have time ), you'd get a good few secs off

you are possibly looking at 12'35/12'36 for geb

Raptured wrote:Bekele's 1000-5000 in 10:04.11 with negative splits every 1000 is pretty telling. I'd bet he could've run right 9:58-9:59 if he had run a perfectly even 4000m race right at his peak.

using kennster's 1500/5k pbs ( albeit different years )

3'32 / 12'37 ->7'21.4 , 9'58.2 , 26'12.0

albeit the 10k tells us the 1500/5k are not likely to be his best at his peak

trying say

3'30 - 3'31 with 12'35 - 12'36 :

3'31 / 12'36 ->7'20.2 , 9'57.0 , 26'12.7

3'31 / 12'35 ->7'19.9 , 9'56.4 , 26'09.5

that 10k is the "tweaker" - still seems a bit quick

let's quicken up that 1500 :

3'30 / 12'36 ->7'19.4 , 9'56.5 , 26'16.5

3'30 / 12'35 ->7'19.0 , 9'55.9 , 26'13.4

26'16.5 is too slow

i'll go with last line, as 26'13 looked reasonable for him in his wr form - it indicates something like 3'30 & 12'35 ability at the time ( you decide if you believe 7'19.0 or not )

kennster's best "intrinsic" 3k

a 7'26 in poor weather & sh!t pacing with a disgraceful 5'02 - he finished with a 2'23 !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRQOl6zoTJ8&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLE6C51EA3CDF7B5F4

wow

short clip (anyone seen a longer?!) of his 5000m in paris

going through the quickest on route 3k, 7:32.71 !!

the third k was run in 2:28.79, endtime 12:40.18 (no4 performance of all time)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K7hxyQ7-jM

52.43 wrote:

short clip (anyone seen a longer?!) of his 5000m in paris

going through the quickest on route 3k, 7:32.71 !!

the third k was run in 2:28.79, endtime 12:40.18 (no4 performance of all time)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K7hxyQ7-jM

He was HURTING at the end of that race, wow.