Geb Says He And Kenenisa Talked About Farah Before Daegu

So why didn't Salazar himself run under 13min back in the day? Or sub 27?

They talked about what new on the market drugs Farah and salazar's group were using that enabled Mo to suddenly improve by 30 secs on his 10K and enabled a white guy to go under 26:50.

He sort of did the equivalent of that when he led almost from start to finish when Matt Centrowitz Sr set the 5K AR. I think he finished around 13:16. Thats arguably every bit as good as a sub 13 5K paced by sub 12:50 East Africans.

Suspicious wrote:

So why didn't Salazar himself run under 13min back in the day? Or sub 27?

Well he did set a world best for the marathon and didn't have the leg speed for sub 13

yammay wrote:

They talked about what new on the market drugs Farah and salazar's group were using that enabled Mo to suddenly improve by 30 secs on his 10K and enabled a white guy to go under 26:50.

Probably trying to figure out how to get some themselves. The stuff they were on must have gone out of fashion or something (become detectable?).

Geb, Bekele, Rupp and Farah are all likely using CERA. While not undetectable, it's easy to beat the tests if you time your cycles correctly.

None of this stuff does anything that blood doping doesn't already do, and that's been around for 30+ years.

Koneko wrote:

Geb, Bekele, Rupp and Farah are all likely using CERA. While not undetectable, it's easy to beat the tests if you time your cycles correctly.

CERA is pretty detectable these days though. It's tough for someone like Farah to be on it when the UK anti-doping is quite as draconian as it is.

Eventually he will get caught out.

The other guys are fine, their governing bodies are lax on dopers.

Drugs shouldn't be illegal anyways.

For those who think AlSal's athletes are using PED's, wouldn't altitude tents (or rooms) have the same effect as PED's except it's legal?

If you literally live at altitude, then EPO or CERA may have the same effect on hemocrit as living at altitude, which is Renato's position. But:

(1) If the time spent in the tent is less than living at altitude, then EPO may still have an impact, and is apparently difficult to test for unless the timing is ideal.

(2) SARMS and HGH have different effects than living at altitude.

i heard somewhere a long time time back that geb and bekele weren't really "friendly" toward one another because of their rivalry....guess there was no truth to that??

Guys, the only thing on EPO is Al Sal's brain. Have you ever stopped to consider that the guy might be a mad genius?

yammay wrote:

They talked about what new on the market drugs Farah and salazar's group were using that enabled Mo to suddenly improve by 30 secs on his 10K and enabled a white guy to go under 26:50.

You mean the tactic of actually running a 10k for time? You are an idiot. That's what made his huge drop. Yes he improved from one year to the next...but most of his 10k time drop wasn't from improving, it was from making a fast attempt that he didn't the year before.

Suspicious wrote:

So why didn't Salazar himself run under 13min back in the day? Or sub 27?

Yo, rocket scientist, why didn't ANYONE ELSE BACK IN THOSE DAYS RUN THOSE TIMES?

--Different training approaches, far less scientific knowledge. (And for some, no EPO)

Not sure I would say a genius, but there is no way Nike would ever let a group literally in their own backyard use drugs. A CEO would not put his own job at risk considering how many different country's athletes are sponsored by Nike. An American victory in a WC or Oly just isn't that important to a global powerhouse.

I know Mo, I've ran with him since being a 15 year old. The guy is so talented it is frightening. He won UK championships over all distances and surfaces off little training and consistency as a junior. He ran an 8:16 3km as a 16 year old!

He was injury riddled from 18 - 22yrs as nobody looked after him. He would get in shape in 3 weeks and then break down. Alan Story molded him into a stong runner trough slow miles and strength training. Mo has a couple of average years then a couple of 13:07 years and then boom. Basically 6 years of 100 mile weeks with no injury. 3 - 4 altitude trips per year and he is a world beater.

Its simple 'he has the body of an East African, the mentality of someone who has had nothing, a British mindset and education and a desire to win.....backed up with years of proper lactate threshold training!'.

Salazar is the icing on the cake provided by Alan Storey.....much like Ritz and Hudson.

He is not a drug cheat!

a genius wrote:

Not sure I would say a genius, but there is no way Nike would ever let a group literally in their own backyard use drugs. A CEO would not put his own job at risk considering how many different country's athletes are sponsored by Nike.

haha. Yeah, and a CEO wouldn't ever engage in price fixing. Or encourage wire tapping. Or make huge bets on dubious investments with borrowed money. Or run a flat-out ponzi scheme.

The CEO's job isn't at risk. Plausible deniability. Look it up. Your opinion is even dumber than those who say an athlete isn't cheating because "they seem so nice and everyone says they're nice."

I hope Mo isn't cheating, but I would be less surprised to hear he is taking some fancy new (maybe technically legal in some sense) PED than to hear he's totally clean. This is how he makes his living, and it's a dirty sport like all of them these days.

a genius wrote:

Not sure I would say a genius, but there is no way Nike would ever let a group literally in their own backyard use drugs. A CEO would not put his own job at risk considering how many different country's athletes are sponsored by Nike. An American victory in a WC or Oly just isn't that important to a global powerhouse.

Did Nike ever drop Justin Gatlin? Who is Gatlin competing for now? Nike.

The sport could be cleaned up if shoe companies took a stand. Is there anything in an athlete's contract about being terminated for drug use?