Hey im a junior in high school and i was wandering how much mileage it would probably take to go sub 2. my pr is 2:07 with about 20 miles a week and very few work outs per season besides running 3-5 miles a day. also im a little more speed oriented it seems then stamina.
There is no formula for what mileage gets you to a certain time, especially in the 800.
You can break 2 with 20 mpw with quality workouts.
I ran 2:02 in HS and have no clue what my mileage was but I am pretty sure it was less than 20 mpw.
Most days were jog 2 laps, do intervals, jog one lap.
30 min was the longest I ran at once.
Now I ran 1:55 freshman year of college, but I still didn't track mileage. It was likely 25-30 mpw at that point.
I know there is no "formula" however when you started do more mileage in college didn't your times drop as well? and what kind of intervals did you do?
Just under 1/2 mile
You should run sub 2 this year with out changing much, just based on the fact that you are a year stronger. Share your goal with your coach and he / she should be able to get you there. Out of curiosity what are your pr's @ 400 and 1500/1600? Good luck!
my pr in the 400 is a 57 which was a split in an 800.My mile is 5:05 but i have never ran the mile fresh.
toro wrote:
There is no formula for what mileage gets you to a certain time, especially in the 800.
You can break 2 with 20 mpw with quality workouts.
I ran 2:02 in HS and have no clue what my mileage was but I am pretty sure it was less than 20 mpw.
Most days were jog 2 laps, do intervals, jog one lap.
30 min was the longest I ran at once.
Now I ran 1:55 freshman year of college, but I still didn't track mileage. It was likely 25-30 mpw at that point.
BS
Also my other prs are "11:12 2mile not on track" and 19:03 5k.
I ran 1:55 off 60 miles and 1:53 off 20 miles.
I recommend smashing up the track a couple of times a week.
I have read the posts and forgot most of what was said so will probably repeat some great advice. I would train like a 5k runner at about 40-50 miles/week most of the time and maybe drop down to 25-30 during the razor sharp, pucker-your-external-sphincter, get-r-dun, time of the season. I ran 2:06 during marathon training when I was 37 and was running around 65 miles/week. But, a few weeks before the 800 "fun race", NOT!, I ran a 8 x 200 with 200 jog workout on the track withh the 200's in around 32-34. 10-14 mile long run on Sunday morning during other folk's church is a must!!
Once that gun goes off, you gotta turn into a entirely different person and when the race is over, you are your old normal self again. If you ain't got two personalities, a nice guy, humble, help the little lady across the street personality vs. the rather fight than f---, take names at the half way point, thinking-about-your-best-friend-who-still-may-be-stuck-in-a-damn-prisonhut -camp,in north vietnam, attitude, don't waste your time racing.
Ho hum!
I ran 1:57 off about 50-60. There were several kids at at my school that broke 2:00 off 15-20 while I was there.
Difference between you and the other kids; you could run 4:20 mile and they can run 4:45 if they gut it out! No base, no race! When I go deer hunting, I take a quiver full of sharp arrows, not one dull target tip!
sounds like you have the potential to be quite a stud if you ran 1:59 already!
Plenty of guys run 2:00 or faster at <40 mpw.
If you want to run a good 800, then don't listen to this silverfox character who is telling you to train like a 5k runner. Does that mean 400 runners should train like steeplechasers? Take it from someone who has run much, much faster than 2:06. To run a good 800 you need to train like an 800 runner.
Depending on who you are, 20-50 mpw covers most decent 800 guys but there are outliers. The key is in the track sessions. You won't run fast by doing steady state mileage.
15-20 n hs got 1:59
30-40 n college 1:49
30-40 HS - 1:58
70-80 College - 1:53..although I really stopped running the 800 so it probably could have been faster.
I had similar PRs at some point in my career, albeit I was about 4 years younger than you are now.3 year progression to sub 2:2:07/4:55 - 15mpw. 3 track workouts/week, no mileage.2:03/4:36 - 35mpw. 2 track workouts/week + mileage.1:58/4:20 - 45-50mpw 2 track workouts/week + mileage.What people aren't telling you, is that the 800m runners who run low mileage and run super fast are doing LOTS of QUALITY. None of those guys are just jogging 3-5 miles every day and then popping sub 1:50 times. They're doing crazy-fast 200m/400m/600m repeats and ripping up the track. In their case, mileage is kind of irrelevant. For MOST of the REST of us not blessed with natural sub 50 400m speed, we need to work on our aerobic systems, and take a balanced approach to training that incorporates mileage and speedwork.
runnerkid wrote:
Hey im a junior in high school and i was wandering how much mileage it would probably take to go sub 2. my pr is 2:07 with about 20 miles a week and very few work outs per season besides running 3-5 miles a day. also im a little more speed oriented it seems then stamina.
1.58 800 and 4.06 1500 off of ~20mpw at age 16. My coach done things a bit different to a typical week would be :
Mon - 10 x 200m with 60 sec recovery
Tue - 4 x 500m 2 min recovery
Wed - 8 x 300m 60 sec recovery
Thur - 3 x 250 m flat out 15 min revoery
Fri - rest
Sat - rest
Sun - Race
We hardly done a single a run during the entire summer period which in hindsight was dentrimental but who gives a f**k
All sessions had a 1 mile warm up plus 20 minutes of drills and a 1 mile cool down.
No session was slower than 1500m pace.
I ran 1:53.8 in college and I don't think it was the mileage, although I ran some slow 12 milers in between seasons. The key for me was running 300m intervals workouts at goal pace, jogging 100m for recovery. We did that workout so many times that when it came time for the big race, "sprint" pace was maintainable for most of it. Running the 4 X 400m is good training too.
Your mileage doesn't matter too much for the 800m.
When I ran 2:00 in high school, I did intervals Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday and ran an easy 5 miles the other 4 days.
Favourite workouts were 4x400m with 5 min rest; 5 sets of 3x200m with 30 seconds between reps and 3 min between sets and 600, 500, 400, 300, 200, 100 with a 200m jog after the 600,500 and 400 and a 100m jog between the 300, 200 and 100.
As for speed, at the time I had run 25 for 200m and 38.7 for 300m. I also ran 4:16 for 1500m.