Is there somewhere you can get results with all the splits?
The announcers were saying 53-54 for farah and maybe 52-53 for jeilan.
If it was really 52 that's nuts. I'd love to see an official or somewhat accurate split for Jeilan's last 400.
Is there somewhere you can get results with all the splits?
The announcers were saying 53-54 for farah and maybe 52-53 for jeilan.
If it was really 52 that's nuts. I'd love to see an official or somewhat accurate split for Jeilan's last 400.
Jeilan was 5 or 10 meters back with a lap to go.
Bekele has done 52 off a faster pace.
I have Jeilan at 52.7 hand timed from the Universal Sports video.
common wrote:
I have Jeilan at 52.7 hand timed from the Universal Sports video.
Same.
Even conference meets have FAT splits for each runner, why can't the world champs?
Do you people even run? wrote:
common wrote:I have Jeilan at 52.7 hand timed from the Universal Sports video.
Same.
I had him at 52.78 with Farah at 53.49 handtimed. But Jeilan ran the last lap the way it should be with continuous acceleration. But Farah made a big burst the first 100 of the last lap, slowed on the last curve, picked it up the first 50 of the last straight, slowed again. Very jerky and unprofessional finish from Farah unlike all his wins. I think his emotions got the better of his racing discipline. He'll get it. Great run by Jeilan. Even Bekele couldn't have beaten him with that kind of finish.
Les wrote:
Do you people even run? wrote:Same.
I had him at 52.78 with Farah at 53.49 handtimed. But Jeilan ran the last lap the way it should be with continuous acceleration. But Farah made a big burst the first 100 of the last lap, slowed on the last curve, picked it up the first 50 of the last straight, slowed again. Very jerky and unprofessional finish from Farah unlike all his wins. I think his emotions got the better of his racing discipline. He'll get it. Great run by Jeilan. Even Bekele couldn't have beaten him with that kind of finish.
Most of the top 10,000 runners, best 400 times are 48 seconds are faster. There best 200m, 400m or 600 meters times, are almost never report. We only hear what their last 200 or 400 meters was. Can someone tell me the top 10,000 meter runners, best 100 to 400 meters times? What about there best 600 or 1000 meter times. It seems to me, that is where most of the race is won are lost. I know a lot of guys might say bull, but I used to win over (20) 10ks a year easy, with my 400 speed. This is something that younger runners, need to take a hard look at.
My personal times
10k,30:13
5k,14:30
400,47.2
200,21.3
100,10.6
those PRs are very modest mate
Carnegie wrote:
Les wrote:I had him at 52.78 with Farah at 53.49 handtimed. But Jeilan ran the last lap the way it should be with continuous acceleration. But Farah made a big burst the first 100 of the last lap, slowed on the last curve, picked it up the first 50 of the last straight, slowed again. Very jerky and unprofessional finish from Farah unlike all his wins. I think his emotions got the better of his racing discipline. He'll get it. Great run by Jeilan. Even Bekele couldn't have beaten him with that kind of finish.
Most of the top 10,000 runners, best 400 times are 48 seconds are faster. There best 200m, 400m or 600 meters times, are almost never report. We only hear what their last 200 or 400 meters was. Can someone tell me the top 10,000 meter runners, best 100 to 400 meters times? What about there best 600 or 1000 meter times. It seems to me, that is where most of the race is won are lost. I know a lot of guys might say bull, but I used to win over (20) 10ks a year easy, with my 400 speed. This is something that younger runners, need to take a hard look at.
My personal times
10k,30:13
5k,14:30
400,47.2
200,21.3
100,10.6
Carnegie wrote:Most of the top 10,000 runners, best 400 times are 48 seconds are faster
no
they aren't
if hicham himself said his best 400 was "about 48" how can these 10k guys who can't run 3'26.00 have same 400 speed ???
EuroSport announcers "guessed" about 53 for Jeilan. But look at the last 120 metres. Farah is smooth with a good stride but Jeilan is just awesome! He's at least 10 cm / 4 inches shorter than Farah, they are stride for stride (their feet are hitting the ground at exactly the same time) and Jeilan eats Farah up! OK, he's turning over just a bit faster at the very end, but what a finish.
ventolin^3 wrote:
[quote]Carnegie wrote:Most of the top 10,000 runners, best 400 times are 48 seconds are faster
no
If you never ran under 50 seconds, then how would you know? All you do is talk about something you never ran.
Run and run somemore wrote:
ventolin^3 wrote:[quote]Carnegie wrote:Most of the top 10,000 runners, best 400 times are 48 seconds are faster
no
If you never ran under 50 seconds, then how would you know? All you do is talk about something you never ran.
Congratulations. Nice logic. You have just made V3 look smart by comparison.
Carry on.
'Most of the top 10,000 runners, best 400 times are 48 seconds are faster'
As Ventolin said no they are not. At best as you say they have no time registered, guessing their time does not give a pr. Most experts know you are wrong though
With a 47.2 you should have been running the 800m as that as fast as a lot of WC finalists pr
What where you doing the 10km for with that speed unless you are just making them up!
Sorry, you are completely wrong. Yes, the final lap of Jeilan was 52.7, since the final lap of Mo Farah was 53.17.
But these are the final 400m of AEROBIC ANIMALS, so nothing to do with your calculation.
I want to say an anecdote. The Italian Alberto Cova won the first edition of WCH (1983, Helsinki) in 10000m with a last lap of 53.2. We were curious to see his real speed, and with his coach Giorgio Rondelli we bet about his time in a local competition of 400m one week after his victory. His result was... 52"8 !
Also about the training we use, we NEVER use max speed (apart short sprints uphill). Never, for example, Vivian Cheruiyot goes 400m at max speed, however she won 5000m in Berlin running the last lap in 57"9, and Sylvia Kibet 58"2. Since I'm the coach of Sylvia, I know very well she can run a little faster than 57" in a competition of 400m, and with, may be, 56"5 of PB can run 2'03" in 800m.
The key is the SPEED ENDURANCE, connected with the AEROBIC POWER, not with the lactic system.
You can see, in some day, the final of 1500m. Look at Silas Kiplagat. He NEVER ran a 400m faster than 54"5 in training, and a 300m faster than 37"2 on a good track.
Look at his race, and don't forget he has 28' flat in 10 km on the road. He is not able to run 400m faster than 49", and is a specialist of 1500m, not of 10000m.
And, about you, if really you have 47"2, it's clear your training is a very good example of a lot of methodological mistakes, including the choice of events that are out of your natural attitudes.
Renato Canova wrote:
Sorry, you are completely wrong. Yes, the final lap of Jeilan was 52.7, since the final lap of Mo Farah was 53.17.
But these are the final 400m of AEROBIC ANIMALS, so nothing to do with your calculation.
I want to say an anecdote. The Italian Alberto Cova won the first edition of WCH (1983, Helsinki) in 10000m with a last lap of 53.2. We were curious to see his real speed, and with his coach Giorgio Rondelli we bet about his time in a local competition of 400m one week after his victory. His result was... 52"8 !
Also about the training we use, we NEVER use max speed (apart short sprints uphill). Never, for example, Vivian Cheruiyot goes 400m at max speed, however she won 5000m in Berlin running the last lap in 57"9, and Sylvia Kibet 58"2. Since I'm the coach of Sylvia, I know very well she can run a little faster than 57" in a competition of 400m, and with, may be, 56"5 of PB can run 2'03" in 800m.
The key is the SPEED ENDURANCE, connected with the AEROBIC POWER, not with the lactic system.
You can see, in some day, the final of 1500m. Look at Silas Kiplagat. He NEVER ran a 400m faster than 54"5 in training, and a 300m faster than 37"2 on a good track.
Look at his race, and don't forget he has 28' flat in 10 km on the road. He is not able to run 400m faster than 49", and is a specialist of 1500m, not of 10000m.
And, about you, if really you have 47"2, it's clear your training is a very good example of a lot of methodological mistakes, including the choice of events that are out of your natural attitudes.
Can you elaborate more on the difference between aerobic speed endurance as opposed to speed endurance with the lactic system?
Hi Coach, thanks for posting your thoughts!
If these runners rarely or never train at max speed (for example, running 400m at close to all-out), aren't they unused to the mechanics of sprinting when it comes time to finish in the race?
Do you ever find that a runner has too little maximum speed and attempt to increase it (for example, a male 10000m runner with only a 55smaximum 400m)? If so, how would you train that?
Wow, 52.7 is a truly impressive finish. Mo Farah will think long and hard about this one and despite the obvious disappointment he will realize that he was beaten by a special effort.
The surge that Jeilan had to secure victory in the final 50 meters was a thing of beauty. The whole last lap had shades of Billy Mills in Tokyo in 1964. The leaders were weaving in and out of lapped runners when a relative unknown figure found a burst of speed at just the right moment.
curiousasas wrote:
Renato Canova wrote:Sorry, you are completely wrong. Yes, the final lap of Jeilan was 52.7, since the final lap of Mo Farah was 53.17.
But these are the final 400m of AEROBIC ANIMALS, so nothing to do with your calculation.
I want to say an anecdote. The Italian Alberto Cova won the first edition of WCH (1983, Helsinki) in 10000m with a last lap of 53.2. We were curious to see his real speed, and with his coach Giorgio Rondelli we bet about his time in a local competition of 400m one week after his victory. His result was... 52"8 !
Also about the training we use, we NEVER use max speed (apart short sprints uphill). Never, for example, Vivian Cheruiyot goes 400m at max speed, however she won 5000m in Berlin running the last lap in 57"9, and Sylvia Kibet 58"2. Since I'm the coach of Sylvia, I know very well she can run a little faster than 57" in a competition of 400m, and with, may be, 56"5 of PB can run 2'03" in 800m.
The key is the SPEED ENDURANCE, connected with the AEROBIC POWER, not with the lactic system.
You can see, in some day, the final of 1500m. Look at Silas Kiplagat. He NEVER ran a 400m faster than 54"5 in training, and a 300m faster than 37"2 on a good track.
Look at his race, and don't forget he has 28' flat in 10 km on the road. He is not able to run 400m faster than 49", and is a specialist of 1500m, not of 10000m.
And, about you, if really you have 47"2, it's clear your training is a very good example of a lot of methodological mistakes, including the choice of events that are out of your natural attitudes.
Can you elaborate more on the difference between aerobic speed endurance as opposed to speed endurance with the lactic system?
Canova what are some of your guys speed workouts?
Thank you Canova , well said. I think to many are dwelling on the last lap kick.
Post interviews talking about this race was very interesting. Athletes said the surging was non stop , hard slow , hard slow. We know its a part of racing at this level , maybe harder for many to prepare for in race conditions.
Can you comment please.
Renato Canova wrote:Look at Silas Kiplagat. He NEVER ran a 400m faster than 54"5 in training, and a 300m faster than 37"2 on a good track.
Look at his race, and don't forget he has 28' flat in 10 km on the road. He is not able to run 400m faster than 49", and is a specialist of 1500m, not of 10000m
renato
you might be slightly underestimating silas's 400 ability
unless your name is komen, it is pretty much impossible to go sub-3'30 off ~50
maybe these are possible for him currently
48.5 / 1'44.4 -> 3'28.4 , 4'45.5 , 7'24.5 , 12'54.8 , 27'22.1
or
48.6 / 1'44.5 -> 3'28.4 , 4'45.4 , 7'24.1 , 12'53.8 , 27'18.9
forget the 2k+ times as he is a 1500 guy & his endurance can't be expected to extend to distances above 1500 perfectly off pure 1500 training
of interest, he may be a mid-1'44 guy currently, which really means he shoudn't leave it to just a last lap sprint in a slow race v asbel or lalloo - needs to go from 500 or more out