What do the Hansons runners do differently from other elite training groups? It is tough to find out specifics other than the 2 times 6 mile workout and the 26.2 kilometer simulator run. I have been impressed with the success of their runners for years. Does the "running for the Hansons" provide much insight?
Mileage, mileage, mileage. Train for the course and not for the event.
Yes, Running with the Hansons does provide good insight. It even details a several month buildup one of there runners did for Boston 2010. All the marathoners appear to be on similar if not nearly identical programs (obviously there is a little variation). I didn't notice any particular magical workouts they do from my reading the book. Just steady high volume at moderate to high intensity every day. Obviously it is one runners view of the training, etc. I thought it was fairly insightful.
There is a book out called "Running for the Hansons" that has quite a bit of insight into their training.
Here's a good link below...and no I am not Sage.
http://www.flotrack.org/blog/38183-Running-For-The-Hansons-book-plug
graeme mcdowell wrote:
There is a book out called "Running for the Hansons" that has quite a bit of insight into their training.
Here's a good link below...and no I am not Sage.
http://www.flotrack.org/blog/38183-Running-For-The-Hansons-book-plug
....thanks, Sage....errr, I mean "Graeme"....
1. Paces are critical
2. Running on tired legs
3. It is not any single workout but instead how they all fit together.
Don,
Is that fair?
a lot of them keep public logs on athleticore that go into pretty good detail about their daily training.
If everyone could figure it out then I would have Kara running 5 minutes faster. And all of my marathoners would be running what they should based on their track times.
You rarely see these guys on the track. They're a rock-solid group of guys without traditional careers living and training together entirely focused on running. That's the secret.
Desiree would beat Kara now even if they raced a 10k on the track
not just guys any more. Women, too. Davila, McMahan, White... legit threats to make the US Olympic marathon squad in 2012. They're doing things right in Michigan
Isn't the basis of their training on the effects of "cumulative fatigue"
From my understanding, a large part of it is running quality workouts on tired legs, and they don't weigh the "long run" with the same importance as most traditional plans. I know one of their published schedules have the longest run at 16 miles. There was a bit of an article about one guys experience with their published plan in "Joggers World"
Also following a hard, easy, easy schedule. Having the ability to work at the shoe store 20 hours a week allows for this structure. Although I think Running Times just had an article saying this was better or something similar than the traditional seven day rotation.
From the book it sounds like the easy days aren't very easy and that working in the stores is quite a drain on their training but well worth it considering the free rent etc.
1) I can't imagine even 20 hours in a shoe store is that draining but I've never run 120+ mpw for an extended time
2) Any day isn't going to be easy when its the 20th day in a row over 15 miles.
That being said, I highly doubt every day is hammering
But the published "advanced schedule" does not have alot of volume, roughly 60-75 mpw. You can add some doubles to get it up to 80s but i can't imagine that the elites do what is in the published schedule (which is basically a 16 miler every other week, a weekly strength workout and a weekly MP tempo run.
All of the Hanson's programs are based on the same philosophy. They just don't expect beginners or hobby joggers to do the same volume or pace as the Olympians. It is however, the same philosophy.
They definitely follow the same philosophy that guides that published schedule. That is, a balanced approach (not over-emphasizing one particular workout such as the long run), cumulative fatigue, etc...Of course the pro runners are running more mileage then what they recommend for a non-elite with a job, etc. Therefore, a Hanson runner running 115-140 mpw will be running further than 16 for their long run, but as a percentage of their week it is likely even lower than that of the 16-miler in the schedule you're referring to.What is it that you find so hard to believe?
runerrre wrote:
But the published "advanced schedule" does not have alot of volume, roughly 60-75 mpw. You can add some doubles to get it up to 80s but i can't imagine that the elites do what is in the published schedule (which is basically a 16 miler every other week, a weekly strength workout and a weekly MP tempo run.
And Den wrote:
1) I can't imagine even 20 hours in a shoe store is that draining but I've never run 120+ mpw for an extended time
2) Any day isn't going to be easy when its the 20th day in a row over 15 miles.
That being said, I highly doubt every day is hammering
More like 25-28 hrs/week for a lot of the people that actually work in the store. On your feet mostly. Certainly not the hardest thing ever, but not negligible. Of course, gotta pay the bills somehow.
A lot of guys don't hammer every run. Some do.
And by bills, I obviously don't mean rent or health insurance, which the Hansons provide. And I don't mean that you have to work 28 hrs/week. You have that option.