Im not too sure of the final time, should have been low 14 minutes, sort of a training run for him.
I wonder what Seb Coe in his prime could run in an all out 5000m race? I say 13:05 without any specific training.
I would say 13:20 because he wasn't training for it
Deanouk will have him as potentially faster (off that training session and his road races) but I think a fast runners times given any recovery in training are deceptive
5km is where you really neeed to start putting the miles in a bit
Coe was running the blue ribband event, the mile and had no reason to step up. A lot of very good runners where stepping up to avoid Coe and Ovett
ukathleticscoach wrote:I would say 13:20 because he wasn't training for it
pretty spot on
if his endurance extended "perfectly" beyond 800 in '81 ( it woudn't off 800/1500 training ), then his potential was possibly
45.6 / 1'41.3 -> 3'27.2 , 4'46.7 , 7'32.1 , 13'20.1 , 28'46.3
45.7 / 1'41.4 -> 3'27.2 , 4'46.6 , 7'31.8 , 13'19.0 , 28'43.0
it wouda been virtually impossible for him to crack 13'20 in '81 in classic 5k tt - paced to 3k & solo last 2k
It's unofficial, but I got him in about 1:22.
ventolin^3 wrote:
ukathleticscoach wrote:I would say 13:20 because he wasn't training for itpretty spot on
if his endurance extended "perfectly" beyond 800 in '81 ( it woudn't off 800/1500 training ), then his potential was possibly
45.6 / 1'41.3 -> 3'27.2 , 4'46.7 , 7'32.1 , 13'20.1 , 28'46.3
45.7 / 1'41.4 -> 3'27.2 , 4'46.6 , 7'31.8 , 13'19.0 , 28'43.0
it wouda been virtually impossible for him to crack 13'20 in '81 in classic 5k tt - paced to 3k & solo last 2k
hasn't coe said that he would routinely do 5k runs in 13.30 during training?
You can see the roids oozeing out of Coe's nostrils.
hoboknife wrote:hasn't coe said that he would routinely do 5k runs in 13.30 during training?
if he did it in '81 he's bullshitting
1/2 minute of analysing his '86 shape -> as good fit :
46.3 / 1'42.5 -> 3'29.1 , 4'49.0 , 7'35.2 , 13'24.3 , 28'52.2
his speed was shot by '86 but couda got mid-1'42 & his endurance got a race to show finally sub-3'30
he coud go mid-13'20s in '86 as absolute limit in perfect tt, but any other claim is spurious
'hasn't coe said that he would routinely do 5k runs in 13.30 during training?'
No, after a training session with Frank Horwill he said he regularly did a training session with long reps short recoveries at 13:20 pace
It's here somewhere:
ventolin^3 wrote:
hoboknife wrote:hasn't coe said that he would routinely do 5k runs in 13.30 during training?if he did it in '81 he's bullshitting
1/2 minute of analysing his '86 shape -> as good fit :
46.3 / 1'42.5 -> 3'29.1 , 4'49.0 , 7'35.2 , 13'24.3 , 28'52.2
his speed was shot by '86 but couda got mid-1'42 & his endurance got a race to show finally sub-3'30
he coud go mid-13'20s in '86 as absolute limit in perfect tt, but any other claim is spurious
How someone that can win a 1:44 Championship final with a last 200 in 24.7 has "shot" his speed, I don't know!?
And didn't you say his 3:29.7 in 86 was worth 3:28.3 with perfect pacing and some form of drafting on the 2nd lap?
Despite what a previous poster put (to which you responded), Coe never said he ran 13:30 or 13:20 in training. He used to do long reps (800m) with short recovery (c. 45 secs) at 13:20 pace regularly in training.
I personally think 13:20 was about what he could achieve when an 800/1500 runner, which would have put him much higher up the rankings than such a time today would place him.
With specific training and a lot more mileage for a season, I think he could have got down to 13:05 - 13:10.
hoboknife wrote:
hasn't coe said that he would routinely do 5k runs in 13.30 during training?
Probably alternating with those alleged ten-mile runs at world-record pace.
I Agree wrote:
You can see the roids oozeing out of Coe's nostrils.
Nope - don't believe it.
[quote]deanouk wrote:
[quote]ventolin^3 wrote:
his speed was shot by '86 but couda got mid-1'42 & his endurance got a race to show finally sub-3'30
How someone that can win a 1:44 Championship final with a last 200 in 24.7 has "shot" his speed, I don't know!?
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Deano, before Stuttgart wasn't he knocking out sub 22 200's in training, which so impressed sprinter Micky McFarlane that he made a killing at the bookies backing him in the 800?
the rainman wrote:
Deano, before Stuttgart wasn't he knocking out sub 22 200's in training, which so impressed sprinter Micky McFarlane that he made a killing at the bookies backing him in the 800?
Supposedly ran a 21.6 or 21.7 (among other things) in '86.
You must remember that Ventolin is mentally retarded in addition to his mental illnesses. Coe never ran under 1:44 in '86, therefore, according to Ventolin's Defective Brain (VDB), Coe COULDN'T run under a fast 800 in 1986.
His only 800 title.
5k000 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2QYVm8wYq4&feature=relatedIm not too sure of the final time, should have been low 14 minutes, sort of a training run for him.
I wonder what Seb Coe in his prime could run in an all out 5000m race? I say 13:05 without any specific training.
thanks for that - as an aisde it just reminds of the good old days in the UK when everyone used to compete in their county champs
lol lol lol lol wrote:
the rainman wrote:Deano, before Stuttgart wasn't he knocking out sub 22 200's in training, which so impressed sprinter Micky McFarlane that he made a killing at the bookies backing him in the 800?
Supposedly ran a 21.6 or 21.7 (among other things) in '86.
You must remember that Ventolin is mentally retarded in addition to his mental illnesses. Coe never ran under 1:44 in '86, therefore, according to Ventolin's Defective Brain (VDB), Coe COULDN'T run under a fast 800 in 1986.
Yes, he ran a 21.7 200m at the end of a series of reps; not sure what rest he had before hand. I think the fastest he managed in those conditions since 81.
Coe ran that 1:44.5 in rain, running every bend wide, one he was in lane 2 for the entire bend. I think I worked it out he probably ran about 809m. In a paced race it was probably worth around 1:43.3-1:43.5. To run that with a 24.7 last 200 (even that was a bit wide), means he was more than capable of running well below 1:43.0 that year. After all, he ran 1:43.07 in 85 when having all sorts of injury problems and not the best of form.
Coe has got to have the smoothest running form of any runner I have ever seen. Even at the last 50m of a 800m, u don't see him tightening up. Coe and bekele, its like poetry in motion.
I like Seb Coe's math in his comment "...and if you look at the 800 meters, five times the distance", in other words, 5 x 800 = 5000!
Lol, u would have thought his dad would have drilled maths into him as well.
RIP Peter