What would you choose?
What would you choose?
Vertical Jump then Vo2.
I agree with men's health. Vertical jump indicates basic leg strength, explosiveness, coordination, and total body strength better than any other individual measurement.
Vo2 should be obvious.
After that, either BP or OHP, as a measure of upper body strength.
I'm liking how Letsrun has turned into a crossfit board. Keep it up letsrun.
Then volleyball players would be at or near the top of raw athletic ability lists. 40y time might be a better measure as it includes the explosiveness and adds speed.
They once had a list of things a "man" should be able to do. I'm 50 and I was able to do them all quite easily.
One was 40 pushups, there was a 1.5 mile run pretty slow, and some other things.
The vertical jump is the most basic measure of raw... vertical jumping ability.
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nope, you're wrong...
http://www.elitetrack.com/blogs/details/6140/
"We did a VJ test with three sprinters in 2003 and the lowest vertical was an olympian, and the highest was an athlete who had only some national level success."
Seriously though, for the non-athlete or weekend warrior, this probably does have some validity.
Running is a jumping motion. You are jumping forward with every stride.
Also upper body strength and total body explosiveness all increase vertical jump.
I agree its a great measurement for total athletic ability.
But Vo2 is probably a better measurement for overall athletic ability. Cycling, Swimming, Soccer, distance events, CC, all the sports that are important outside of America.
VJ is important in things like Basketball, Football, and maybe a little bit of Baseball and of course sprints, sports more important in the U.S.
Vertical Jump for power athletes
Vo2 for endurance athletes.
Both for David Rudisha.
Key words, "most basic."
End thread, lol
800m time = most basic measure of raw athletic ability
Cock push up, and all you need is one
The vertical jump test is a measure of vertical jump.
A V02max test is a measure of V02max.
How difficult is this?
Not to sound philosophical, but how does one define "athletic ability"? Too often, our ideal of athleticism involves activities that require talents in explosiveness, quickness, skills demanded by those with fast twitch. But, what about talents requiring slow twitch, persistence, pain tolerance, or resistance to injury.
What's the real criteria for athleticism?
You could define athletic ability as the combination of the following:
1. Cardiorespiratory Endurance
2. Muscular Endurance
3. Muscular Strength
4. Flexibility
5. Body Composition
6. Speed
7. Agility
8. Balance/Coordination
So....I would say something like the Clean & Jerk....but that leaves out any sort of cardiorespiratory or muscular endurance. Crossfitters are going to love this: A High Rep Clean. The key here is that this is just a TEST...not an actual exercise protocol, much to the chagrin of CFers worldwide!.
So here we go....Max Reps of the SQUAT CLEAN in 5 minutes at 75% bw. Endurance athletes are not going to excel well here because of the strength, coordination, and speed involved in the lift. Strength athletes are not going to excel at the duration involved and because some strength athletes are simply too fat..;)
A SQUAT CLEAN is simply a Clean in which you drop down into a full squat during the catch.
Alan
rdot wrote:
What would you choose?
VJ is a great tool. For one thing, it can be done cheaply and with a large group of people fast and efficient. (There needs to be a standard protocol).
A person with a big VJ will likely be good at sports requiring explosive power; the person with the low VJ will trend toward endurance sports.
VO2 requires expensive machinery and is pretty time consuming even if you do a 12 minute long test. With set up and break down that is going to be close to 30 min per subject. A field test like the Cooper test or a 1.5 mile run is a good large group alternative.
BTW, to the person who talked about VB players: they are incredible athletes.
VJ is important in things like Basketball, Football, and maybe a little bit of Baseball and of course sprints, sports more important in the U.S.
But Vo2 is probably a better measurement for overall athletic ability. Cycling, Swimming, Soccer, distance events, CC, all the sports that are important outside of America.
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This is true. VJ is an American artefact, like the 40 yard dash. Outside the US it makes little sense. What's Lionel Messi's VJ? Even he neither knows nor cares.
I would say hitting the G-spot is the most basic measure of raw athletic ability.
viva italia wrote:
I would say hitting the G-spot is the most basic measure of raw athletic ability.
I hear you baby, loud and clear. Put a bag over it, and do your business.
A 800m would be a pretty good indicator. It takes strength, speed, and endurance.