Update on Will Leer: He Can Chase the Time, Photo Finish Photo Released

That's great news. Thanks for the update.

Interesting that Brown would still have an outside chance. It kind of presents a philosophical dilemna however. If Brown could attain the A standard and only one other runner got it, it would be further evidence what an idiotic race he ran in the prelims. Finishing 4th in a 3:44 race.

That photo proves nothing! Can't they share a high res version?

wejo wrote:

She also then added that everything really is at the discretion of the Committee Chairman (John Chaplin) so that...

Hmm I think I've heard this story before

So bi-polar John Chaplin can eff anyone over he wants. This will not end well.

These people aren't very big on following their own rules, are they?

http://www.usatf.org/events/2011/IAAFWorldOutdoorChampionships/entry/selectionProcedures.asp

Somebody's gotta teach Leer how to lean!

Which line is the finish? And what determines crossing the line? Your head? chest? If you lean sideways with your shoulder crossing first, does it end with your shoulder, or not until the midpoint of your chest?

they're all the the finish....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_finish

thats why the legs are distorted

its your 'torso' and i believe shoulders count

sdfs wrote:

Somebody's gotta teach Leer how to lean!

Wheating's shoulder (not his torso) was ahead of Leer's torso. Wheating didn't just lean, but twisted & leaned.

Which one of those two ended up with a face-full of the Mondo track? Wheating wanted it more...and deservedly got it.

silly old fossil wrote:

sdfs wrote:

Somebody's gotta teach Leer how to lean!

Wheating's shoulder (not his torso) was ahead of Leer's torso. Wheating didn't just lean, but twisted & leaned.

The rules state the torso is what counts, and distinguishes the torso from arms, legs, head, and neck. There is no mention of shoulders, so it is a bit sketchy. I think you do it case by case....in wheatings case his shoulder clearly led, so you pick that....if for instance he stuck his arm straight out in front, it probable would have been measured from his armpit....

wejo wrote:

She also then added that everything really is at the discretion of the Committee Chairman (John Chaplin) so that leaves open the possibility if only 1 guy in the 4 got the "A" standard and then 5th place David Torrence or for that matter US leader Russell Brown were to hit the "A" standard they could be added to the team to let the US have a full 3 member team.

Is Jill speculating on the Torrence/Brown part or did somebody in a position of authority tell Jill/Will that? It's hard to believe that a guy who didn't make the final has a shot. Maybe Chaplin would do it just to show that he can.

And same question for Will being able to chase, although that seems reasonable, especially given the circumstances.

Also, that isn't a "picture" and is completely meaningless other than for maybe analyzing finish line form. It's ordered based on the times.

kjgre wrote:Is Jill speculating on the Torrence/Brown part or did somebody in a position of authority tell Jill/Will that? It's hard to believe that a guy who didn't make the final has a shot. Maybe Chaplin would do it just to show that he can.

Pretty sure making sure we have as many guys in the meet as we can isn't just an exercise in Chaplin stroking his own ego...

the only part of Wheatings body (ahead of Leer) that I see is his forarm! Leer looks to be the winner of fourth place in that photo! JS...99% of Leers body is ahead of Wheating!...I don't get how they got Wheating fourth?

kjgre wrote:Also, that isn't a "picture" and is completely meaningless other than for maybe analyzing finish line form. It's ordered based on the times.

is there a long form photo? I dont understand what the problem with the picture is or why you'd want a standard photo.

also, it seems pretty reasonable to me that brown would be able to go if it's not at the exclusion of anyone else.

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Look at the fourth line. Wheating's whole shoulder is beyond it, and none of Leer's torso has reached it yet. It's incredibly close, but the picture seems clear enough.

Leer is CLEARLY across the line before Wheating.

brogan1 wrote:

Which line is the finish? And what determines crossing the line? Your head? chest? If you lean sideways with your shoulder crossing first, does it end with your shoulder, or not until the midpoint of your chest?

Its all the finish....the Finishlynx cameras take a tiny sliver of a picture, and places them all in a row...they take between 500 and 2000 pictures a second, based on which camera you have (I would suspect Oregon has the 1000 pictures a second version, since the 2000 pic version is for horseracing only) so this is ALL the finishline. those thin lines on the picture are where the operator placed their lead chest mark, each indicating a time farther down the picture....and I'm fairly sure its the lead point of your chest, not the midpoint. So the shoulder doesn't count, but the farthest point out on the chest leading into the shoulder. if you zoom in the picture, you can see that Wheating's line isnt on the edge of his shoulder, but on the edge of jersey on the shoulder, which indicates where the leading edge of his chest is.

Hoo boy. I'm glad that finish-photo judges were reading that, and not LRCers...

BITD we taught sprinters/hurdlers how to lean, and specifically taught them to twist the torso, which thrust one shoulder ahead. The upper part/top of the shoulder is always considered part of the torso.