Are there many pro's out there that don't run doubles or didn't ran doubles?
Are there many pro's out there that don't run doubles or didn't ran doubles?
LOL!
It's very rare. In the amateur days you'd have some guys running once a day because of work but even then doubles were the norm for top guys.
Two examples of pros running once a day were both from New Zealand. Jonathan Wyatt rarely runs more than once a day and as a master Sean Wade's log shows only one run. But I've seen profiles from Wade's younger years and he did doubles.
I'm curious as to where people find reliable information as to the training methods of other runners.
What is the highest number of individual runs people have heard of? (Anyone running quadruples?)
In "Train Hard, Win Easy" Toby Tanser claims that triples are routine for many Kenyans and notes the running a quadruples by a few. Never heard of quintuples by anyone though!
A Skeptic wrote:
I'm curious as to where people find reliable information as to the training methods of other runners.
It's all over the place but there isn't one definite location. In the old days there were several "How They Train Books." Fred Wilt had the best series. Joe Henderson had a couple. Ted Brock had one. Running magazines often have them.
Now there are various websites that have some of that information. There are posts here about what various people have done. Lots of people have blogs where they post their runs.
In Wade's case he has his own website called Kenyanway.com. In Wyatt's case there was an article in the old "New Zealand Runner" that mentioned the once a day training, something he largely confirmed in an e-mail to me but stipulating that he did run doubles on occasion.
Sam Chelanga runs 100-110 miles per week in singles in his heaviest training periods and he is faster than any american ever at 10,000 save for one.
Is he still planning on becoming an American citizen?
Rill Bodgers wrote:
Is he still planning on becoming an American citizen?
Hopefully. He'd be an excellent addition to an already deep and quickly improving American distance field.
I had read that Charlie Gruber ran lower mileage.
He focused on speed all year and then worked on endurance towards the end of the year...with lots of hill work in the fall.
Right before the Olympics he was quoted as saying "I am doing high 40s to low 50s with multiple races."
[quote]McGruber wrote:
I had read that Charlie Gruber ran lower mileage.
Who?
I remember reading that Kip Keino only ran four days a week (in Lore of Running). Of course he ran twice on those days, so I'm not sure how that counts overall . . .
meb said in an article years ago that he runs 1 time a day
it was something like this
a tempo run of 16 miles
a.6 x 1 mile or 10 x 1000 with warmup and cooldown equaling 12-15 miles.
another interval example 20 x 400 or 16 x 600
4 days of recovery covering 12-20 miles.
basically 90-120 miles on 7 runs.
douglas burke. He ran once a day during a period in which he was injured. Other than that, Meb runs twice a day.
Josh McDougal ran 130 MPW in singles the year leading up to his NCAA cross win.
one could also argue that was also the reason he has been hurt since then.....
another wrote:
Josh McDougal ran 130 MPW in singles the year leading up to his NCAA cross win.
one could also argue that was also the reason he has been hurt since then.....
18 miles a day, 22 mile long run, week in, week out. That is hard to imagine. It is interesting to note that Sam Chelanga, who I mentioned above, trained for two years in kenya before coming to the US, and ran doubles just about every day, with 24 other runners, which included Paul Tergat.Once he arrived at Liberty he started running singles with Josh McDougal.
He no longer runs with Josh but still does singles instead of doubles, despite having done doubles back in Kenya. He says he doesn't really enjoy it either but he thinks that that is the kind of training that he needs to put in. - Just something interesting to think about considering that many would call running 15-18 miles a day on one run crazy, despite that fact that it produced 3 NCAA xc champions between the two of them and a 27:08 10k.
So are singles better than doubles? Who knows....I suppose there is only one way to find out really
ukathleticscoach wrote:
[quote]McGruber wrote:
I had read that Charlie Gruber ran lower mileage.
Who?
You should be BANNED. Know your shit, dude.
Not sure he was ever a "pro" runner, but Steve Boyd was a 13:49, 28:36 runner and recently ran 31 and change for 10k in his mid-40s with single daily runs.