I just ran across this epic battle between Tirunesh and Meseret and was stunned by the last lap in 53.7! It raises the question what is the fastest last lap you've seen in a women's 5000m off a decent pace?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltq12LTARtw&feature=player_detailpage
Thanks for the video. I didn't know they ran that fast that was absolutely incredible.
If they could run the fast lap faster than that, they're probably 800-meter runners
That was like 56-57. Impressive, but not 53.
To clarify: look at the youtube clock when they cross 4600 and finish.
Also, when the announcer says 53.7, the clock had stopped at 14:59. When they show the results, the winning time was 15:02.
The clock stopped early. I had Defar around 57 flat, possibly high 56s. Still flying though.
Those Tiru v. Mes races were awesome. Beautifully matched competitors taking no prisoners.
55-56 last 400m those two ladies kick just as fast as most elite men. If Meseret and Tirunesh are fit how do you beat them? Only Vivian Cheriuyot and Sylvia Kibet have shown the ability to sometimes be able to run a sub 58 off a fast 5000m pace. What hope and tacitc do the other women 5000m/10000m competitors have to use to beat Defar and Dibaba?
VIPAM wrote:
I just ran across this epic battle between Tirunesh and Meseret and was stunned by the last lap in 53.7! It raises the question what is the fastest last lap you've seen in a women's 5000m off a decent pace?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltq12LTARtw&feature=player_detailpage
You should be stunned because you're wrong.
That race was fantastic and great video. The only hope Meseret and Tirunesh's cometitors have against them is off a quick pace throw in numerous strong and long surges and hope to catch them on a bad day.
1) You should have known from the getgo that split was wrong.
2) The video shows the split clock stopped early at the 2 mile startline.
3) You could look at the stopped time graphic and compare the time to the live time graphic. The difference is 3.4s. Add 3.4 to 53.7 and you get 57.1.
4) You could go old skool and time the damn last lap yourself. I got 57.1s.
Each of these common sense points you ignored. Instead, you choose to rush to the message board to start a ridiculous thread.
5) You could compare the stopped time graphic 14:59.23 to the final results 15:02.51. The difference is 3.28. Add 3.28 to 53.74 and you get 57.02.
Defar and Dibaba finished almost 11 seconds ahead of Goucher, but Kara was with them almost at the bell.
How the heck do our women compete with that kind of finishing speed? Unless someone has at least the ability to close in 56 off of a 15 minute pace they don't have a realistic chance for a gold.
This is a 53 last lap and they only went at about 300mts.
And as with Goucher, Dave Bedford was leading well into the last lap and he finished around 14 seconds behind - and he had the European record at the time!
this is same scenario as the kennster producing 52/53 at end of slow 5k/10k
these 2 gals have been virtually untaxed by previous 11.5 laps & can bring nearly all their open 400 speed to the last lap
for them, trying :
a prelim line of fit ( to 0.2s for 400/800 ) is :
55.60 / 1'58.0 -> 3'52.9 , 5'17.5 , 8'11.2 , 14'09.9 , 29'44.8
of course the only distance they seriously take a wabbit hunt after is the 5k, but these are sort of times i'd expect of them for other distances
the interesting thing is that they woud crush the rest of the world over 1500, something the kennster had no chance of
actually, this line may be better as it gives a slightly slower 1500 :
56.0 / 1'58.6 ->3'53.6 , 5'18.4 , 8'12.0 , 14'10.4 , 29'43.2
Dude if you think that those women can only lay down 55/56 for an open 400 you are brain-damaged. Try 54.0/1:57 at LEAST. Probably 3:55-56 if they had run it at all seriously but we'll never know at this point.
ventolin^3 wrote:
actually, this line may be better as it gives a slightly slower 1500 :
56.0 / 1'58.6 ->3'53.6 , 5'18.4 , 8'12.0 , 14'10.4 , 29'43.2
the naivete's unacquaintance with the concept of being able to run nearly your 400 open time in last lap of slow distance races
if they ran 57 in this race, that is a flying last lap, which = an open of ~ 58
the suggestion is that their open 400 is 2s faster than what they ran in that last lap
what are you going to give wang ???
try this :
55.4 / 1'57.2 -> 3'50.7 , 5'14.2 , 8'05.3 , 13'58.3 , 29'15.6
here's some stats :
http://www.paularadcliffe.com/stats/
go read her book for her 1500 tt c millenium & go watch the vids of her great track season of '02 - you shoud obviously not need to as such a hard-core fan as yourself saw them all live on satellite - that epic race when she almost drove szabo into a stretcher case being my favorite
here's a line to ponder on for '02 :
58.6 / 2'02.8 -> 3'59.8 , 5'25.6 , 8'20.6 , 14'20.1 , 29'50.1
'these 2 gals have been virtually untaxed by previous 11.5 laps & can bring nearly all their open 400 speed to the last lap'
No, if that were the case they could keep up their 10km pace for 30km+ The energy system for sprinting has been little used though and it is this plus the knowledge the finish is close which gives them the extra surge on the last lap, as well as the fact they were not all out for the full distance
You will never admit to being slightly wrong however so just do your best!
They would not crush the rest of the world over 1500m either although they might do well. If they could they would or at least would need to change their training. Likewise if KB trained for middle distance he would be a lot closer to the best, although its still horses for courses and his is longer distance
The op has got the last lap times wrong and any one who thinks youtube can give them an accurate lap reading is mistaken