sub 50 sec last 400m in a mile

There are probably very few cases of this happening... Why? Because if you're running at sub-4 pace already it's extremely difficult to throw down a sub 50 last 400 of the mile; hell, it's difficult to do that in an 800(most elite 8's are positive split anyway..). In order to do that you'd have to negative split by like 7 seconds on what previous pace is; the only way to achieve that is to save up energy, but for a race as short as the mile, that won't work because well, the distance is too short! You'd have to slow down in some other part of the race, probably causing you to lose more time than the sub-50 second last lap will give you. If anything, the last lap generally tends to be run at a 1-2 second negative split at most. If this indeed HAS happened, I'd say Sebastian Coe was the one who could've done this.

I'm quite sure that it has never happened. The best kick I've ever heard of is fermin cacho's 50.6 in the olympics. He did start celebrating at the end, but I think even w/o the celebrating he wouldn't have broke 50 for that lap.

Here is Cram and Gonzalez going at it in 1987. The pace was 4.00min 1500pace until the bell.

They appear even at the the bell and roll about a 50.2 last lap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj8EJxCTQso&nofeather=True

There was a bunch of 1500M run like this in Europe during the 80's/ 90's. Morcelli probably rolled a sub 50 in a 1500M.

Have fun looking!

Fermin Cacho to win gold in front of the home crowd and upset Morceli in '92 OG 1500m...not positive but I believe it was right about 50 flat.

If you can find footage it will give you goose bumps...100,000 of his countrymen going bezerk as he pulled off one of the biggest upsets in Olympic history and I believe the only gold medal of the whole Olympics for the home country....what a moment.

Viva Espana wrote:

Fermin Cacho to win gold in front of the home crowd and upset Morceli in '92 OG 1500m...not positive but I believe it was right about 50 flat.

If you can find footage it will give you goose bumps...100,000 of his countrymen going bezerk as he pulled off one of the biggest upsets in Olympic history and I believe the only gold medal of the whole Olympics for the home country....what a moment.

Dude. Read my post. Btw it was 50.6. Close, but no cigar. If that race wasn't sub 50, I don't think any race ever was.

Jim Ryun ran high 49s for the last lap of a mile once, not sure if it was under four. I wouldn't be surprised though.

long dong silver wrote:

I'm quite sure that it has never happened. The best kick I've ever heard of is fermin cacho's 50.6 in the olympics. He did start celebrating at the end, but I think even w/o the celebrating he wouldn't have broke 50 for that lap.

Ryun ran 50.6 at the end of a 3:38.2 race.

Mr. Battery wrote:

Jim Ryun ran high 49s for the last lap of a mile once, not sure if it was under four. I wouldn't be surprised though.

I would believe that, Ryun and Coe are the only two runners I can think of that probably had enough speed to pull this off.

Here you go:

http://youtu.be/7JkAJN-z1dA

Roger Bannister went 51 at he last 440 of a mile race, but it was not a sub 4 mile.

Rachid EL Bashir, who finished second behind Cacho, actually ran a faster final 400.

I think I have heard 50.2.

You see he is a bit further back from Cacho with one lap to go and closed some ground on him.

Look at Bashir's last 100. He comes from no where to take Silver.

Viva Espana wrote:

Fermin Cacho to win gold in front of the home crowd and upset Morceli in '92 OG 1500m...not positive but I believe it was right about 50 flat.

Yeah, I also seem to remember that it was around 50 flat.

the clarifier wrote:

Here you go:

http://youtu.be/7JkAJN-z1dA

Robby Andrews?

toro wrote:

Rachid EL Bashir, who finished second behind Cacho, actually ran a faster final 400.

I think I have heard 50.2.

You see he is a bit further back from Cacho with one lap to go and closed some ground on him.

Look at Bashir's last 100. He comes from no where to take Silver.

They both took 50.4 for the last 400m. If you look at the video footage, Cacho passes the bell in 2:49.7 and Bashir in 2:50.2

Bashir's last 200m was 25.2 (same as Cacho's) but his last 100m was faster, 12.3!! to Cacho's 12.9.

In the 87 European Cup Gonzales ran the last 400m in 50.1 in a 3:45.5, which isn't quite sub 4:00 Mile, in beating Cram, whose last 400m was marginally slower.

That's the fastest last 400m in any "big" 1500 or Mile that I know of.

Can't come up with any sub 50 last 400, but I'll give a prize to the person who can name the guy who closed the final 800 at the end of a Championship 1500 in 1:46.0.

Malmo gave a list a while ago that included Aouita closing a 3:34 1500 in grosseto in 1984 in 36. Not sure where he found the splits. Not sure where he got the splits, but if he had the last 400 and it was sub-50, I'm sure he would have mentioned it.

Rui Silva.

theoretically, this is a bullshit task for top guns

if a guy has sufficient speed ( say 1'44 ), then the flattened out mile ability to register

3'00 / 50 is

3'46.98