Having read about the Penn DMR and Lagat's performance made me wonder what the fastest times for that distance are.
I think the article said Lagat ran 2:48 (which I believe isn't even world record mile pace). Who has gone faster?
Having read about the Penn DMR and Lagat's performance made me wonder what the fastest times for that distance are.
I think the article said Lagat ran 2:48 (which I believe isn't even world record mile pace). Who has gone faster?
I done did it
I can give you the top Penn Relays 1200 splits from the Penn site (not sure when it was last updated).
College men
http://news.pennrelaysonline.com/event-history/college-men-history/college-men-top-splits/
1,200m Splits
Relays’ College Top 15
2:49.7—Nick Willis, Michigan (2003)
2:50.1—Mark Belger , Villanova (1977)
2:50.9—Charles Cheruiyot, Mount St. Mary’s (1987)
2:51.1—David Freeman, Kentucky (2003)
2:51.1—John Keyworth, Villanova (1986)
2:51.2—Moise Joseph, Florida (2003)
2:51.2—Steve Holman, Georgetown (1991)
2:51.2—Gary Taylor, Arkansas (1986)
2:51.5—Tom Parlapiano, Villanova (2003)
2:51.6—Don Paige, Villanova (1980)
2:51.8—Daniel Lincoln, Arkansas (2003)
2:51.8—Paul Donovan, Arkansas (1983)
2:51.9—Johan Boakes, Arkansas (1991)
2:51.9—Jim DeRienzo, Georgetown (1980)
2:52.0—Sean O’Neill, Villanova (1987)
2:52.0—Gary Taylor, Arkansas (1987)
2:52.0y—Frank Murphy, Villanova (1968)
High school boys
http://news.pennrelaysonline.com/event-history/high-school-boys-history/high-school-boys-top-splits/
1200m Splits
Relays’ Top Performers
2:59.8y—Alex Trammell, St. Joseph’s Coll.: Buffalo, N.Y. (1972)
3:00.8—John Sullivan, Bernards: Bernardsville, N.J. (1979)
3:01.1—Ray Brown, St. Alban’s: Washington, D.C. (1980)
3:02.3—Joe McAlister, St. Malachy’s: Belfast, Ire. (1999)
3:02.3—Esteban Diaz, Brooklyn Tech: Brooklyn, N.Y. (1980)
3:02.6y—Gary Trojanowski, St. Joseph: Metuchen, N.J. (1972)
3:02.7—Dan Tebbano, Shenendehowa: Clifton Park, N.Y. (1999)
3:02.8y—Tony DiGiovanni, Cranford: Cranford, N.J. (1984)
3:03.3—Steve Walters, St. Anthony’s: Smithtown, N.Y. (1980)
3:03.3y—Mark Ogden, Archbishop Molloy: Jamaica, N.Y. (1974)
3:03.4—Joe Hopkins, Whitman: Huntington Station, N.Y. (1980)
3:03.5y—Roger Moore, Roman Catholic: Philadelphia, Pa. (1979)
3:03.6—Lamont Leach, Vere Tech: Hayes, Jam. (1991)
3:03.7—Chris Sullivan, Ridgewood: Ridgewood, N.J. (1985)
3:03.7y—John Daly, Msgr Farrell: Staten Island, N.Y. (1974)
3:03.9—Neal Butler, St. Raphael: Pawtucket, R.I. (1989)
3:04.1—Ernesto Perez, West Side: Newark, N.J. (1989)
3:04.1—Dan McManamon, Shenendehowa: Clifton Park, N.Y. (2004)
3:04.2—Tony Ruiz, Westinghouse: Brooklyn, N.Y. (1979)
3:04.2—Owen Kimble, Fayetteville-Manlius: N.Y. (2006)
3:04.3—A.J. Acosta, El Camina: Calif. (2004)
3:04.4—Kevin Walker, Institute of Education: Dublin, Ire. (1996)
3:04.4—Lyle Smith, Bernards: Bernardsville, N.J. (1984)
3:04.5—Pascal Bernier, Clinton: Bronx, N.Y. (1991)
College women
http://news.pennrelaysonline.com/event-history/college-women-history/college-women-top-splits/
1,200m Splits
Relays’ College Top 15
3:17.4—Jasmin Jones, Tennessee (1990)
3:18.7—Sonia O’Sullivan, Villanova (1990)
3:20.0—Sherry Hoover, Kentucky (1986)
3:20.9—Kathy Franey, Villanova (1988)
3:21.1—Molly Lehman, Duke (2009)
3:21.3—Katrina deBoer, Georgetown (1999)
3:21.4—Miesha Marzell, Georgetown (1996)
3:21.4—Brooke Novak, Tennessee (2004)
3:21.6—Tosha Woodward, Villanova (1994)
3:21.6—MaryEllen McGowan, Villanova (1984)
3:21.8—Tamieka Grizzle, Florida (2000)
3:21.8—Hanne Lyngstad, Tulane (1998)
3:22.0—Angie Stanifer, Michigan (1999)
3:22.0—Jurga Marcinkevcuite, Villanova (1997)
3:22.0—Gina Procaccio, Villanova (1987)
3:22.1—Erin Donahue, North Carolina (2004)
High school girls
1200m Splits
Relays’ Top Performers
3:32.0—Karen Bennett, St. Jago: Spanish Town, Jam. (1991)
3:33.2—Megan Patrignelli, Monroe-Woodbury: Central Valley, N.Y. (2009)
3:33.3—Katie Buenaga, Tatnall: Wilmington, Del. (2009)
3:33.5—Tori Pennings, Warwick Valley: Warwick, N.Y. (2008)
3:34.2—Jeanna Composti, Sachem: Lake Ronkonkoma, N.Y. (1997)
3:34.5—Jordan White, Holy Names: Albany, N.Y. (2008)
3:34.6—Amanda Trotter, Red Bank: Little Silver, N.J. (2003)
3:34.8—Jeanna Composti, Sachem: Lake Ronkonkoma, N.Y. (1998)
3:35.1—Stacy Ann Livingston, Boys & Girls: New York, N.Y. (2002)
3:35.3—Shannon Grady, Sun Valley: Aston, Pa. (1992)
3:35.5—Catha Mullen, Bronxville: Bronxville, N.Y. (2002)
3:35.6—Lindsey Ferguson, Saratoga Springs: Saratoga Springs, N.Y. (2004)
3:35.7—Amanda Trotter, Red Bank: Little Silver, N.J. (2002)
3:35.8—Kelley Otstott, Thomas Jefferson: Alexandria, Va. (1998)
3:36.0—Brianne Bellon, Saratoga Springs: Saratoga Springs, N.Y. (2008)
Mathematically someone should be able to run speed intermediate between the WR's in the 800 and the mile.
1:41.0 = 50.5 per 400m
3:43 = about 55.5 per 400m
This means that theoretically someone should be able to run 3:39!!! Of course this is assuming someone who could run 800 m as fast as Kipketer and 1 mile as fast a El G. Such a human may have never existed. Plus it is a very difficult leg to pace because it is so rarely run.
I sure as heck would liked to have seen Seb Coe give it a shot back in the day.
Sean Nunn
Raytown South
Just for shits, Noah Ngeny's 1000m WR (2:11.96) converts to a 2:42.74 using Purdy. El G's 1500m WR (3:26.00) converts to a 2:39.80 (it is obviously a stronger performance regardless)
2:48 gives you about 3:36 for 1500m, so a very strong performance but not earth shattering.
Sadly All-Time athletics doesn't have DMR lists. I would be surprised if the fastest 1200m is much faster than 2:48 though.
El G ran 2:44.75 en route during a 1500. List here: http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/archive/at_1200_enroute_m.html
coe was worth probably 46-flat & 1'41.5 at his peak ( he faded in the last 200 of his wr - probably wouda benefited from reaching 600m a tad slower )
46.0 / 1'41.50 ->2'40.6
hicham was probably worth 1'42.8 - 1'43.0 at his peak & his 1500wr was finished off with a 53+ last lap - he was too slow to the bell - ideally probably worth 3'25.5 - 3'25.75 if he'd got better pacing
1'43.0 / 3'25.75 ->2'41.1
1'43.0 / 3'25.50 ->2'40.9
1'42.8 / 3'25.75 ->2'41.0
1'42.8 / 3'25.50 ->2'40.8
the 2 woud almost dead-heat over 1200, but if you had to give a verdict on the photo-finish, it'd have to be coe
try your own variations :
It is interesting that El Guerrouj's most maniacal 1200s did not result in 1500 WRs.
And.. check this out!
3:04.0* Don Lash (USA) Princeton 19 Jun 37 4:07.2 (2) (3:05.0 y)
Don Lash had good range, then, given his 5k deadheat against Legendary Louie in the 36 OT.