I am wondering how we compare German's performance at the Cal State with 4:01 1600/8:34 3200 to Lukas' 4:10 mile/8:40 deuce indoors?
Lukas was in two tight races. German was on his own. Lukas had the 5000 two nights before. One outdoors, one indoors.
I think, based on the competitive races, and being indoors, I will go with Lukas by whisker over German for the better of the two.
I say German but its very close. German did do it all by himself and run 4:01! which is ridicolous to run by yourself. LV's performance is still legendary, I thought half way in that he was surely going to lose, yet I was proved wrong
I'm sorry. Fernandez did this as a 17 year old.
Wow, Verzbicas you can run low 14's for the 5k as an 18 year old.
Fernandez ran 13:25.
Seriously, German's performance was way better. He did it by himself within 2 hours of each event. Legendary.
German ran a 1600m prelim the day before his double.
4:11.62 on Friday, 4:00.29/8:34.23 double on Saturday.
Verzbicas:
14:08 on Friday, 8:40.70/4:10 indoors two days later.
Pretty close.
sowry wrote:
I'm sorry. Fernandez did this as a 17 year old.
Wow, Verzbicas you can run low 14's for the 5k as an 18 year old.
Fernandez ran 13:25.
Seriously, German's performance was way better. He did it by himself within 2 hours of each event. Legendary.
Lukas won Footlocker twice by the time he was 17, German was nothing but a distant 3rd who gave up as he so often does. Lukas turned, 18, so freaking what, there isn't a magical dividing line between 17 and 18, especially a young 18. Fernandez ran 13:25 at 18, after a full year of training as a collegian, when he should have been doing base for XC, and ruined his college career. Many great college freshman could have run faster than German's "great" freshman times, if they were pursuing mere times instead of placing in NCAAs. Lukas V. > German Fernandez.
I dont think indoors is much slower than outdoors. Indoor tracks are so good now and the weather is usually perfect, no wind either.
gf's double was better and it's not even close... i don't think you guys realize how amazing an 8:34 is just two hours after a 4:00...
Lukas, Reigning King wrote:
sowry wrote:I'm sorry. Fernandez did this as a 17 year old.
Wow, Verzbicas you can run low 14's for the 5k as an 18 year old.
Fernandez ran 13:25.
Seriously, German's performance was way better. He did it by himself within 2 hours of each event. Legendary.
Lukas won Footlocker twice by the time he was 17, German was nothing but a distant 3rd who gave up as he so often does. Lukas turned, 18, so freaking what, there isn't a magical dividing line between 17 and 18, especially a young 18. Fernandez ran 13:25 at 18, after a full year of training as a collegian, when he should have been doing base for XC, and ruined his college career. Many great college freshman could have run faster than German's "great" freshman times, if they were pursuing mere times instead of placing in NCAAs. Lukas V. > German Fernandez.
I forgot all of Lukas's NCAA championships. Thanks for reminding me. Yeah, he's clearly better.
And his superior win of Footlocker over a tough crowd of kids. His years winning footlocker had way better talent than Chris Derrick, Luke Puskedra, Colby Lowe, (and somehow) Michael Fout.
And I also forgot all his HS pr's that are better than Fernandez.
O wait. I'm being sarcastic for all this sh*t.
Also name a collegiate freshman not named Chris Derrick who could have run 13:25.
First of all German ran 4:00, not 4:01 (unless you are talking about a mile in that case it is a converted 4:01). Regardless, 4:00 and 8:34 are worlds away from 4:10 and 8:40, sorry.
I can't believe this is even being debated. Indoors is generally slower, yes, but the armory track is pretty damn fast and german had the heat to deal with. This is not even close in my mind
Worlds away? 8:34 to an 8:40i? If Lukas ran that outdoors he would be on the same straight, so show me how thats "worlds." However, I think an 8:40 indoors would be more difficult than an 8:34 outdoors, but since German soloed his rather than being pushed to the line
German gets my vote, not by much but soloed runs are harder
For all of you unaware of the difficulty of German's record, go to your local high school track and run a 400 in 60 seconds. German continued for another 3 consecutive laps at that pace for a 4 flat 1600. Rested 1 hour and began warming up for 3200m run. He ran 8 laps at approximately 64 seconds per lap.
Here's the thing: most folks warmup about 45-60 minutes before their race. German had 2 hours between events. Essentially he ran 4 flat, rest an hour, warmed up and ran 8:34.
All by himself.
No comparison: German's double > LV's
AMrunner800 wrote:
Worlds away? 8:34 to an 8:40i? If Lukas ran that outdoors he would be on the same straight, so show me how thats "worlds." However, I think an 8:40 indoors would be more difficult than an 8:34 outdoors, but since German soloed his rather than being pushed to the line
German gets my vote, not by much but soloed runs are harder
In my mind these two marks aren't what makes it no contest, but rather their respective miles. German's 8:34 came an hour after he had run a 4:00 1600. Verzbicas ran his 8:40 fresh (with competition), then had some rest, and then ran a 4:10 mile (with competition). 8:34 isn't in a different world than 8:40i, but a 4:00 1600 is absolutely several worlds away from a 4:10i mile
Do remember he ran a 14:06 5k the day before.
2 days before
I would love to be dead wrong, but I think LV did this will little to no damage to his future running career, where as GF has all but shown his best years are behind him. That said, GF's times are insane far better than LV.
Big difference between 4:00 1600 and 4:10 mile but not so much between 8:34 for 32 vs. 8:40 for the full 2.
cant believe no one has pointed out that german's double was 4 flat for the 16 and 8:40 for the 3200. he didnt run the 8:34 until nationals a few weeks later
You guys are idiots and have no idea about the human body and training at a high level if you think German's best days are behind him. And German's double is better because he ran the 1600 first. It's much easier to come back and run a tactical 1600 after a fast 3200 than vice versa.
German's converted double is 4:02.0/8:37.4. Also, Cheserek did little to help Lukas, in fact he was unnervingly close behind him, providing no visual incentive, but instead anxiety of getting tripped up in Lukas' long back kick. As for the mile, it was a tactical race by LV, which he closed in 56/27, so off even pace he was good for a couple more seconds at least.
All in all, a very close comparison, especially if you count in the 5K record.