9:57 wins d2 and 10 flat wins d3.... i can't wait for all the joker d2/3 guys to come on here and defend the fact that their dmr's would have gotten smoked by ANY self respecting d1 team. i mean usually adams state is the redeeming factor for d2 but they didnt even crack 10..
hey man 9:57 is pretty good... if ur a high school at the penn relays
zing
lol at you not understanding how divisions work
D3 was a tactical, bunched up race until 600 to go. In case you didn't know, nationals is about place, not time. It took 9:55 to make D3s Nats, which is faster than the high school indoor record. Just stating the facts. Plus D3s was run on a flat track.
d2s was at altitude
only 49 out of 500+ Division I DMRs beat the fastest div iii time this year
wilfredo wrote:
only 49 out of 500+ Division I DMRs beat the fastest div iii time this year
Well of course they should you dill hole and those teams beat 275 other D1 schools.
Comparing D1 and D2 is a like fighting a girl.
If you win - you beat a girl you look like a fool If you lose you look like fool. No mater what you do you lose.
You are supposed to be better so when you run better who gives a rats ass you are D1. If you lose well then you just got your ass kicked by a D2 kid. Good luck and worry about yourself.
wat?
wilfredo wrote:
only 49 out of 500+ Division I DMRs beat the fastest div iii time this year
There is much more incentive to run a stacked DMR to get to nationals than to be dfl at last chance weekend meets. Plenty of 9:45-10:00 D1 teams never run stacked, fresh DMRs because it simply wouldn't matter...now if they're looking to make nationals then of course they do.
Thats why your stat is irrelevant. It's apples and oranges.
And yet somehow this is called a "national champion".
yeah right wrote:
wilfredo wrote:only 49 out of 500+ Division I DMRs beat the fastest div iii time this year
There is much more incentive to run a stacked DMR to get to nationals than to be dfl at last chance weekend meets. Plenty of 9:45-10:00 D1 teams never run stacked, fresh DMRs because it simply wouldn't matter...now if they're looking to make nationals then of course they do.
Thats why your stat is irrelevant. It's apples and oranges.
speaking of apples and oranges...
People go to D1 because they were fast in high school. People are fast in high school because they are naturally talented. People that were slow in high school go to D3. They were slow in high school because they have less natural talent. If D3 runners were faster, they would go to a D1 school where they can get a cheaper education. Is this so hard to understand?
A 3:36 1500 meter runner who has run 3:59 this indoor season didn't make the mile final in D2.
I don't see too many 3:36 milers in D1 buddy.
i have syphilis wrote:
A 3:36 1500 meter runner who has run 3:59 this indoor season didn't make the mile final in D2.
I don't see too many 3:36 milers in D1 buddy.
Or anywhere else in the world.
The only people who are really angry or upset here either don't run for a college, where cut when they tried to walk on, or aren't good enough to actually compete for their own D1 school and should probably run D2 or D3...
A lot of people don't go to college to run... some go to get an education. Obviously there are d1, d2, and d3 schools with strong academic creds. Most people with a brain choose the school that takes into account cost, their career goals, and quality of education available. Rarely does the answer make d1 a distinct best choice. Plenty of 'talented' runners turn down opportunities to run at d1 schools if a d3 school is a better overall package. The only time divisions matter is the national championship - take a trip to a big xc meet, an indoor meet like boston, or even penn relays - if you're a quality d3 athlete you get to race with the best in the country. Lets not forget, Symmonds and Leer were both d3 losers with no talent...
I always find it odd that people need to rip on d2 and d3. It makes very little sense. The irony is that none of the quality d1 runners I've trained with and gotten to know in the many years since college have ever felt compelled to talk shit about the so-called lesser divisions. I can only surmise that you're either not particularly fast and have some chip on your shoulder, or just a real douchebag with no other social stimulus available on a friday night - a direct result of said douchebaggery.
i have syphilis wrote:
A 3:36 1500 meter runner who has run 3:59 this indoor season didn't make the mile final in D2.
I don't see too many 3:36 milers in D1 buddy.
3:59 runners don't even make nationals in D1 buddy. Are you REALLY trying to argue D2 is better than D1 because one exceptional D2 had an off day?
I am a former d2 runner who has run on one of the top DMR teams at nationals in the past. I love the DMR and think that it is a great event unfortunately I think that it is time for it to be taken out of d2 and d3 nats. When you look at the splits you see that a lot of these teams don't run their top guys at nationals because they have people qualified in individual events that have prelims earlier in the day and sometimes only like half an hour earlier. I do agree that the times this year in d2 are slow the top ones are not bad but after that it drops off very quickly. It seems like in years past generally 10:05 was close to the back of the pack but this year not the case.
My suggestion is either get rid of it because it gets watered down too much or move it to the end of the meet so that even if people are tired teams can run their best athletes.
D3 nats is always tactical, the track is flat and not conducive to running fast time and the idea is to place, not to run a certain time.
I don't know why you clowns always rip on DIII athletics its two different things. D1 athletes are generally kids with more natural ability and the upper echlons of D1 are borderline Olympians. DIII athletes are hard-working and dedicated individuals that aren't as naturally talented. Whereas in D1 you'll have a 4:07 High School kid dropping to a 3:57 in College DIII has 4:23 kids dropping to a 4:05. Both are very respectable times, one just has more talent than the other.
D2 nats is in Abq, NM...5500 feet altitude, that is a 6 second mile conversion, almost 1 second 800m conversion and we'll call it 3 second 1200m conversion....so now that 9:57 that won is looking alot better at 9:46ish...I guess i dont understand why this is an argument though?...clearly D1 is better...i feel like the person who created this post is some 412 miler at a D1 school that is pist he is unimportant at that level...and see's other people having success on the National level and is just trying to make himself feel better. lose the haterade and enjoy Indoor Nationals weekend for what it is at each level....