What if a US man gets a sex change and beats Kara and Desi?

Then (s)he needs to do more plyos and get their core routine set.

Alan

Semenya,

Last warning. No more trolling the Letsrun message boards. You aren't even American!

You can look it up, but there are some specific and strict rules for this. He would be able to compete as a she after about 2 years (just going on memory) of hormone treatment after surgery.

Beating Kara and Desi won't happen, though, because it is major surgery and don't underestimate the therapy (more fat, less testosterone, etc.) It's not "good" for your body to go through this.

I don't know if this post is serious, but there is a real answer.

Basically, if you want to go for it, you could. There was an article a loooong time ago in RW about a transsexual and he got mega way slower after the sex change.

What you'd have is a dickless man with artificial tits running after a couple of women -- that person is not a woman.

Hmm not sure wrote:

What if a US man gets a sex change and beats Kara and Desi?

They have tests for that. Believe me, that would trip a few red flags at post-race processing.

Transsexual post-op male-to-female individuals are allowed to compete as women in the Olympics.

Doubtful wrote:

Hmm not sure wrote:

What if a US man gets a sex change and beats Kara and Desi?

They have tests for that. Believe me, that would trip a few red flags at post-race processing.

N0 SLEEP TILL BROOKLYN wrote:

You can look it up, but there are some specific and strict rules for this. He would be able to compete as a she after about 2 years (just going on memory) of hormone treatment after surgery.

Beating Kara and Desi won't happen, though, because it is major surgery and don't underestimate the therapy (more fat, less testosterone, etc.) It's not "good" for your body to go through this.

I don't know if this post is serious, but there is a real answer.

Basically, if you want to go for it, you could. There was an article a loooong time ago in RW about a transsexual and he got mega way slower after the sex change.

Correct answer, thank you. In fact, she got slower by the right amount to finish around the same place among women after transition that she was finishing among men before transition. Funny how that works. You might almost think that the hormones matter.

How about if Desi or Kara get a penis and STILL kick your ass?

Yes, transgendered post-op women do compete against biological women, at least in the US amateur, masters ranks. I've never seen the rule, but I believe the wait is two years post-op and they take hormones, but there is no testing to see that hormones are taken.

I don't agree that they are finish the same among women as they previously did among men. There certainly isn't enough actual data to support this, only statements of the people that they are "way slower." Slower than they ran as a man, yes, but comparably slower?- I don't think so. For example, a local transgendered woman won a masters title in xc and as a man would never have placed that well among masters men prior to the operation. She went from being locally competitive to a national winner.

It's also hard to compare men/women times The WAVA tables are sort of helpful, but generally they lack enough data for older women which makes their conclusions in general a bit suspect. It is worth noting that they've done at least 4 versions of the WAVA tables - 2000, 2003, 2006 and now 2010 and in each one, the score on any particular value for an older woman has gotten lower each time as they get more data.

I would hope that athletic success wouldn't be the reason to make this lifestyle change - it's rather drastic, don't you think? I think that they are making their choice for other personal reasons.

Is this a training methodology?

Seems a bit co$tly!

I think the McMillan or Galloway programs are less expensive and you don't have to do the sex change.

muddy girl wrote:

I would hope that athletic success wouldn't be the reason to make this lifestyle change - it's rather drastic, don't you think? I think that they are making their choice for other personal reasons.

That is almost certainly the case -- no one transitions for fun, because it's not. Most people wouldn't change their sex if you offered them ten million dollars to do it. (Would you?) Those who do it -- often at great personal cost -- are doing it for a reason.

I agree. It would incredibly pathetic for someone to change genders even partially for the slim amount of "glory" in age-group racing, especially on the women's side!

I can't even (and don't want to) imagine what would drive someone to take such a drastic step, but I'm sure if they are compelled to do it, then their reason must be extremely important to them.

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Hmm not sure wrote:

What if a US man gets a sex change and beats Kara and Desi?

I'd rather just have sex with them.

muddy girl wrote:

I agree. It would incredibly pathetic for someone to change genders even partially for the slim amount of "glory" in age-group racing, especially on the women's side!

I can't even (and don't want to) imagine what would drive someone to take such a drastic step, but I'm sure if they are compelled to do it, then their reason must be extremely important to them.

It won't ever happen. Runner's World did a feature on a road racer and race organizer who had gender reassignment surgery (male to female) and the doctors said that she would struggle to keep up with the top local women because she had the skeletal structure of a man, but the hormones of a woman.

Listen, if you're a man -- you have the genetics of a man. You will never be a woman. You can cut off or add-on various extremities, but you'll never give birth to children, or menstruate, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if half of these people want the change so that they can have a baby and abort it.

Differences in hormone levels are responsible for almost all of the differences in athletic ability between women and men. However, hormone therapy will not change differences in bone structure and these structural differences clearly play some role in athletic performance. I'm probably the only transsexual who goes on this site and one of very few trannies who competes in road races on a somewhat competitive level. A few things from my own experience: two years on hormones is not enough. I'm much faster after 5 years on testosterone than I was after two. I think this had to do with having less body fat and a more developed male body. As an example, a few years ago, I ran a marathon in 2:50, whereas last fall I ran a marathon in 2:39. I averaged 65 mpw before the first one and only 55-60 before my most recent. As far as comparing previous performances as a female to today, that's still a little tricky. I ran middle distances in high school and rarely ran more than 35 miles per week. My mile pr (full mile, not 1600) was 5:13, 800 in 2:22, and I ran 10:33 for a 3k. As a man, I've run 33:30 for a road 10k, and 2:39 for a marathon, so it's hard to compare distances. But obviously I'm dramatically faster as a male.

wow well you got a womens OT qualifier with your 2:39, that's awesome congrats!!!!!!!!!!

ha ha! except for the fact that I'm now legally and physically male, that is pretty impressive!